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re: Coach Orgeron’s grade this season
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:07 pm to dukke v
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:07 pm to dukke v
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SO IF Miles was still here and the same thing happened..would we be saying the same about him????????????????
Of course people would. The difference, at least in my opinion, is that Miles had over 11 years at LSU, and Orgeron only has one full year as the actual head coach.
I really don't remember anyone starting a thread about Miles grades after the completion of a season.
Hope you are having a good Christmas dukke.
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:14 pm to lakelanier
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A very bad SEC with two teams in the playoffs and more teams in the top 25 than any other conference? I would not say a banner year, but to call it bad is exaggeration.
This was an awful SEC season. LSU lost to Alabama, didn't play Georgia, and was abused by MSU. Auburn was a solid, solid win. No other win was impressive.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:16 pm to TrueTigerTale
B+
Easy, holding team together after Ms.St. and Troy losses!
Easy, holding team together after Ms.St. and Troy losses!
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:20 pm to OKtiger
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if we get embarrassed by Notre Dame that grade will go much lower.
How is this logical, he gets a lower grade if ND beats us, but if we win by 10 it doesn't help him at all?
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:28 pm to TrueTigerTale
D+
State and Troy are unforgivable
State and Troy are unforgivable
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:34 pm to TrueTigerTale
C range, sometimes +, sometimes -.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:35 pm to TrueTigerTale
Well, it's a B, but unfortunately in a developmental class that doesn't earn credits or count towards GPA.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:36 pm to justice
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C. LSU should never lose to miss state by 30 Losing to Troy is unacceptable
It's not coach O's fault. He inherited the team he inherited. We had a bunch of key players out in both of those games and Arden Key was a mere shell of his former self at that point. It's not coach O's fault the team had no depth. It wasn't coach O's fault the team had so many freshmen starting on the offensive line and that we had so many freshmen playing on the defensive line. That was the cards he was dealt by his predecessor. Had he been the coach for several years, then yes it would have been his fault.
Now once all of those players returned back to good health and back to playing again they were well coached and went on a winning streak. At that point, the team could have easily given up and fallen apart and the fact they didn't is a testament to his excellent leadership skills.
Both early losses were because of injuries to key players and a lack of depth and losing to an 11 & 2 Troy team considering the injuries and lack of depth isn't nearly as bad of a loss as the coach O haters are making it out to be. As Troy could have beaten a number of SEC teams at full strength.
Sure under normal circumstances, we should never lose to Troy, but this wasn't normal circumstances, as the team coach O inherited from his predecessor didn't have any depth on the offensive and defensive lines. How can you blame O for that? You can't
Now he just recently took a big step in alleviating those issues by signing shitload of offensive and defensive lineman.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:42 pm to Space Cowboy
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It's not coach O's fault. He inherited the team he inherited.
Serious question, at what point will Orgeron be 100% responsible for the on-field results? Can you at least give an estimate?
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:47 pm to Goldrush25
Starting in 2020, that's when most of the player on the team will be his players. Of course, the lack of depth issue is rapidly being addressed in the interim as Coach O has signed a pretty good class of good offensive and defensive lineman to correct the lack of depth issues his predecessor left him.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:47 pm to TrueTigerTale
C+
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:47 pm to Space Cowboy
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That was the cards he was dealt by his predecessor.
His predecessor was fired in September 2016, but he is to blame for 5 offensive linemen leaving the program between December 2016 and July 2017, and also to blame for 4 defensive linemen being injured, suspended, or ejected from a game in September 2017?
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:48 pm to Space Cowboy
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didn't have any depth on the offensive and defensive lines. How can you blame O for that?
Because he was the fricking head coach when a butt load of them transferred out of the program. Somebody's to blame for that and it falls on the damn head coach.
How can you not see that?
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:50 pm to Goldrush25
The question is not what was the TEAM's grade.
The question is what is the HC's grade.
It is a very difficult question to answer, b/c the system is to hire two highly paid coordinators to do the coaching on offense and defense (and, implicitly for the HC to stay out of the way). What was done or not done on ST's is all on O. And team leadership is O''s.
This is what makes the Troy meltdown and the on-going Canada feud so disconcerting (and hurts O's grade, IMO). There is a sense of a lack of management skills. or lack or judgment or maybe even a lack of maturity about this, which finds pre-existing evidence elsewhere in O's coaching history.
I am not rooting against him, but I am very concerned about these issues...
The question is what is the HC's grade.
It is a very difficult question to answer, b/c the system is to hire two highly paid coordinators to do the coaching on offense and defense (and, implicitly for the HC to stay out of the way). What was done or not done on ST's is all on O. And team leadership is O''s.
This is what makes the Troy meltdown and the on-going Canada feud so disconcerting (and hurts O's grade, IMO). There is a sense of a lack of management skills. or lack or judgment or maybe even a lack of maturity about this, which finds pre-existing evidence elsewhere in O's coaching history.
I am not rooting against him, but I am very concerned about these issues...
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:54 pm to rpg37
You are simply an O hater which translates into an LSU fair-weather fan. If we win the bowl game, ten wins is a good year, not great but good.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:55 pm to dukke v
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Its NOT O's Fault where other programs are.
But we’re talking about how he should be graded. If you want an A, you have to earn it. You act like everybody should get an A by default. Life doesn’t work that way. If you play a weak schedule, you’re always going to get judged by your losses. Don’t like it? Too bad. ...and Orgeron had some spectacular ones.
C+
If not for the loss to Troy, He’d have a B. If he ends up with a top 10 recruiting class, I’ll give him a B maximum. If you want an A from me, you’d better beat Bama and win the SEC West at least. I think that’s fair.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 2:56 pm to lakelanier
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A very bad SEC with two teams in the playoffs and more teams in the top 25 than any other conference? I would not say a banner year, but to call it bad is exaggeration.
You don’t call it a good year when you fire your coach. If enough schools fire their coach it’s a bad year in their conference. The level of re-writing what’s actually happening is shocking.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:01 pm to MOT
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predecessor was fired in September 2016, but he is to blame for 5 offensive linemen leaving the program between December 2016 and July 2017, and also to blame for 4 defensive linemen being injured, suspended, or ejected from a game in September 2017?
What are you smoking? Whatever it is, you need to package it up and put it for sale. Because it is some damn good stuff.
In any event, Einstein, those five offensive linemen didn’t leave LSU because of O, they left because they realized they weren’t good enough to play for LSU. Moreover, according to Grimes, he recruited those players because Miles made him recruit those players.
Furthermore, please explain in detail how the injuries and the suspensions were coach O’s fault. I mean if you are going to claim that they were all coach O’s fault, then the least you can do is explain in detail exactly how that was all coach O’s fault.
I’ll hang up and listen. This should be interesting.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:01 pm to MOT
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predecessor was fired in September 2016, but he is to blame for 5 offensive linemen leaving the program between December 2016 and July 2017, and also to blame for 4 defensive linemen being injured, suspended, or ejected from a game in September 2017?
What are you smoking? Whatever it is, you need to package it up and put it for sale. Because it is some damn good stuff.
In any event, Einstein, those five offensive linemen didn’t leave LSU because of O, they left because they realized they weren’t good enough to play for LSU. Moreover, according to Grimes, he recruited those players because Miles made him recruit those players.
Furthermore, please explain in detail how the injuries and the suspensions were coach O’s fault. I mean if you are going to claim that they were all coach O’s fault, then the least you can do is explain in detail exactly how that was all coach O’s fault.
I’ll hang up and listen. This should be interesting.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:11 pm to TrueTigerTale
If the companies all you people work for critiqued your job performances as harshly as you just did the coach... some of you will not get a raise... be damn lucky to even have a job. Pathetic bunch.
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