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re: Coach O Statement Koy Moore
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:30 am to justustm2
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:30 am to justustm2
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Listening to people of your ilk, you’d think 75%.The overwhelming majority of white murders are caused by other whites. Yet we never hear about white on white crime.
That’s probably because white people arent going around acting like the greatest threat to their lives is a police officer murdering them. People reference black on black crime to show the hypocrisy of people who riot and protest even justified police killings, but are silent on something that is an actual problem.
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:34 am to GoneFishing21
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You have protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.
And yet, you still have people's right violated under these protections and the officer gets off free.
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Police can stop you for reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Yeah so, what's reasonable to the officer, on most occasions are not reasonable for the average citizen, but the officer is protected by UNIONS that the average citizen can't afford to battle in court.
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They aren’t required to be psychics.
So if the officer is required to be psychics, then the average innocent person who hasn't done anything wrong, is pulled over, and HE/SHE is required to be a psychic for the reason they're being pulled over?
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You may know you’ve done nothing. They don’t know that and aren’t required to.
But they are required to access the situation when they arrive on the scene. An officer more often than not has the chance to ESCALATE OR DE-ESCALATE the situation once the arrive on the scene.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:34 am to J2thaROC
You would bet wrong, I had it happen to me twice.
Once by a black police officer who became head of dept @ earth day.
Once by a black police officer who became head of dept @ earth day.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:38 am to TeamLSU
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TeamLSU
That is a great response. I am pleasantly surprised.
In the George Floyd situation I was saying get off his neck when I watched the video.
I am happy I worked for a great department with a lot of great educated and well trained officers.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:42 am to GoneFishing21
They are nothing more than highway men for the state.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:43 am to GoneFishing21
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In reference to George Floyd, you are comparing apples to oranges. Approaching a possible armed suspect with firearms drawn is a totally different type of scenario.
Yet you did not answer what you would have done in that situation.
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All training IS not created equal. And ARE in the department merely because of a relative in high places. You started a sentence with “And”. What was your point about report writing?
So you have no argument to my point, all trainings ARE not created equal.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:45 am to TeamLSU
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And yet, you still have people's right violated under these protections and the officer gets off free
You would have to give specific examples and explain how they were unreasonable. You just made a blanket statement. What is getting off free? If your rights have been violated in an unreasonable way then there are proper ways to go about handling that issue.
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Yeah so, what's reasonable to the officer, on most occasions are not reasonable for the average citizen, but the officer is protected by UNIONS that the average citizen can't afford to battle in court.
It’s not related to unions. The reasonable officer standard has been upheld in criminal courts. You don’t get the benefit of hindsight. Officers have to make decisions in the moment. If an innocent person can’t get over being detained for investigative purposes and then let go then that is pretty weak. Most people would just cooperate and eliminate themselves as a suspect to help the cops with their investigation.
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So if the officer is required to be psychics, then the average innocent person who hasn't done anything wrong, is pulled over, and HE/SHE is required to be a psychic for the reason they're being pulled over?
If you allow the officer to explain it to you then the vast majority of the time I’m sure he/she will do just that.
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But they are required to access the situation when they arrive on the scene. An officer more often than not has the chance to ESCALATE OR DE-ESCALATE the situation once the arrive on the scene.
When approaching a potentially armed suspect, cops drawing their guns on that person and detaining them is a form of de-escalation.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:45 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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That is a great response. I am pleasantly surprised.
In the George Floyd situation I was saying get off his neck when I watched the video.
I am happy I worked for a great department with a lot of great educated and well trained officers.
Well 10-22 my last response to you. You're ok in my book.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:48 am to TeamLSU
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Yet you did not answer what you would have done in that situation.
Because you did not ask me. I was just pointing out the flaw in your comparison and the flaws in your writing while criticizing cops for not being able to write a report.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:53 am to GoneFishing21
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It’s not related to unions. The reasonable officer standard has been upheld in criminal courts. You don’t get the benefit of hindsight. Officers have to make decisions in the moment. If an innocent person can’t get over being detained for investigative purposes and then let go then that is pretty weak. Most people would just cooperate and eliminate themselves as a suspect to help the cops with their investigation.
We couldn’t get half this country to be okay with wearing a mask but you expect people to be okay with having guns pointed at them?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:53 am to TeamLSU
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Well 10-22 my last response to you. You're ok in my book.
This is the type of talk that moves people forward. I apologize for my first comment to you
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:53 am to GoneFishing21
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ecause you did not ask me. I was just pointing out the flaw in your comparison and the flaws in your writing while criticizing cops for not being able to write a report.
Well the MAJOR difference is while I can make mistakes in my writing of reports and lives are NOT CHANGED, WHEREAS, a mistake by a cop in report writing can change the life or lives of individuals for decades. Do you see the difference there?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:57 am to TeamLSU
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Well the MAJOR difference is while I can make mistakes in my writing of reports and lives are NOT CHANGED, WHEREAS, a mistake by a cop in report writing can change the life or lives of individuals for decades. Do you see the difference there?
Sure and a cop failing to be ready to deal with a potentially armed suspect can cost him/her their lives and ruin a family for decades.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:01 am to J2thaROC
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We couldn’t get half this country to be okay with wearing a mask but you expect people to be okay with having guns pointed at them?
I thought this has never happened to you or any white people? Now you’re acting as if it’s some rampant thing. It will never happen to most people, but you can be pretty sure that if it happens to you then it’s most likely not because you’re being targeted to be murdered by the cops. It’s most likely that you match the description and are in the general area of a suspect who is supposed to be armed and therefore dangerous. If you can’t handle the possibility of that ever happening then maybe watch where you spend your time or stay at home.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:15 am to Legion of Doom
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:15 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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A lot of times that is all we have at the time of the incident.
I get That, but maybe then it’s not enough to start stopping every person who fits the vague description?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:20 am to SammyTiger
Sure it’s enough. Was there a crime? Yes. Do you have some sort of description of the suspect? Yes. You find someone in the general area of the crime and matching the general description given. Is that enough for a police officer to detain you to confirm or dispel their suspicion that you were involved in the crime? Yes. You do realize that a lot of unknown suspects are caught, identified, and prosecuted as a result of this very thing, right?
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:26 am to viv1d
I’m not sure “VIOLATED” is the appropriate word for him to have used? Makes it seem almost sexual in nature, no?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:29 am to Billder
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Why is Coach O assuming racism is involved? Did I miss something?
Yeah you missed all of 2020 apparently. As much as the dumb people involved try to focus on criminals getting shot for resisting arrest, what allegedly happened to Moore is the real issue. Black people are treated as if they are guilty of a crime by the police immediately. White people are not.
A good analogy is that we all know bears eat people so we treat every bear as if it will eat us despite the fact that the bear in front of us has never eaten anyone. The actions of his peers means we treat him as such. Black people are treated like this by the police. Doesn’t matter that this black person hasnt down anything to the police or against the law, black people in general break the law and have disdain for the cops so they are all treated as if they are the same.
The issue with that is that innocent people are being “put in trial” for crimes they did not commit. we as humans should be better than to punish one man for another man’s crimes.
I also admit that this is not strictly a police issue but also a black community issue. If the black community wasn’t so hostile toward police (in general terms) they wouldn’t be treated with such hostility in return.
Our country has a chicken and the egg situation and no one seems to be willing to be the first side to admit faults and take steps to amend the situation.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:31 am to viv1d
Great opportunity for O to get his “woke” card back. Failing to say “Orange Man bad” on TV really killed his cred with the team
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