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re: Coach O Is Crushing It
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:56 am to The First Cut
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:56 am to The First Cut
Which on a college level, shouldn’t be the prerequisite for a competent passing game.
Danny Etlong got drafted. And he never threw 20 TDS in a season.
Nathan Peterman looked good enough in college to trick coaches into drafting him.
Danny Etlong got drafted. And he never threw 20 TDS in a season.
Nathan Peterman looked good enough in college to trick coaches into drafting him.
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:57 am to The First Cut
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Look for Bama to go much more run heavy next year.
You can bookmark this.
That should work great until he hits Clemson again. He may not get past LSU with that decades year-old shite.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:58 am to SammyTiger
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Coach talk is coach talk. And we were different for sure this year Just not good. And Saban clearly figures out our X’s and Os Remember at the time Saban was “talking up” an offense that was absolutely putrid
I agree. Saban's not going to come out and say our offense is predictable. Unfortunately it was. We scrapped most of the playbook such as it was and played ultra conservative. SE has done that twice vs Saban.
It actually dates back to the latter part of the Miles tenure. Somewhere along the way the "riverboat gambler" lost his nerve and thought we could just power our way to a win over Bama. Once Saban got his system fully established and started to dominate recruiting we needed to be able to outscheme Bama to win and we still haven't learned that yet.
If we go into 2019 with the gameplan to play conservative and try to pull it out in the 4th we may as well not even play the game.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:00 am to SammyTiger
Etling is the third best QB LSU has had in 12 years. Think about that.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:01 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:03 am to The First Cut
And I thinj A lot of that has to do with what we have asked our QBs to do.
We have not had an offense that gives them a ton of high percentage throws, or schemes guys open.
We almost always rely on our WR just beating the coverage, and blasting past defenders.
We ask them to throw 15+ yards more than NFL teams do.
Drew Brees complete 1 pass over 25 yards
He only attempted 8 out of 40 over 15
Tom Brady three 44 passes and only 8 of them were caught over 10 yards down field. 18 were at or behind the line of scrimmage.
We have not had an offense that gives them a ton of high percentage throws, or schemes guys open.
We almost always rely on our WR just beating the coverage, and blasting past defenders.
We ask them to throw 15+ yards more than NFL teams do.
Drew Brees complete 1 pass over 25 yards
He only attempted 8 out of 40 over 15
Tom Brady three 44 passes and only 8 of them were caught over 10 yards down field. 18 were at or behind the line of scrimmage.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:12 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:03 am to The First Cut
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Etling is the third best QB LSU has had in 12 years. Think about that.
Tom Brady never threw over 2500 yards in a season at Michigan. And he had a less than 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio.
Think about that...
Michigan never committed to a passing offense while he was there. Like I said... you need more than talent.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:18 am to TrueTigerTale
“ coach O hasn’t stopped trying to improve LSU’s offense”
That doesn’t exactly give me a warm and fuzzy feeling since his effort to this point in time produced 2 O’s worse than what we had in 2015.
“ should be an interesting 2019 season. “
Yep, there’s always that next season. I think we’ve been saying that since about 2012. Hopefully, we find a way to beat Bama and win the west.
That doesn’t exactly give me a warm and fuzzy feeling since his effort to this point in time produced 2 O’s worse than what we had in 2015.
“ should be an interesting 2019 season. “
Yep, there’s always that next season. I think we’ve been saying that since about 2012. Hopefully, we find a way to beat Bama and win the west.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:20 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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No. It is just above your depth of knowledge. If you don't understand that changing an entire offense that has been recruiting and developing (for decades) for a run-heavy offense to a passing offense is a huge task, then your football IQ is beyond hope.
Lol. You've got to be Burrow Sr or something to that effect. You know nothing about LSU's recruiting. LSU has recruited 4 and 5 star wide receivers for 2 decades.
If LSU really wanted to be better at passing - they'd play the better arm instead of politics with this whole Burrow ordeal. Just my opinion.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:22 am to p&g
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He won hardware with 5 losses and 4.
Who cares about the record if you win something meaningful and keep winning meaningful things? Wouldn't you take a NC every year even if we had 2-3 losses? I know I would.
Oh wait, I forgot, people defending O love to downplay 2007.
He found a way to win when it matters.
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Please STAHP with that... it further proves my point that Clemson absolutely has easier path to “hardware” than LSU does.
So it's always easier for other teams, but O has too many barriers to win? That's the O argument?
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Clemson lost to Syracuse last year ans beat them in last play game this year.
Yes , I absolutely believe they’d have bigger problems week in and week out in SEC vs playing in acc.
You're focused on THIS Clemson team, rather than the idea that maybe Dabo is just good and will build a good program regardless of location. The guy has 2 NC's, again, you don't think he could be successful in the SEC?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:26 am to Freauxzen
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So it's always easier for other teams, but O has too many barriers to win? That's the O argument?
With O, we have 3 Alabamas on the schedule now instead of one.
Alabama
Florida
and now Texas A&M.
we commin tho
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:27 am to TrevRollings29
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Lol. You've got to be Burrow Sr or something to that effect. You know nothing about LSU's recruiting. LSU has recruited 4 and 5 star wide receivers for 2 decades.
5 star WRs mean nothing if the HC doesn't commit to a passing game. As I said above, Tom Brady never passed for over 2500 yards at Michigan. Brady is a legend when it comes to talent But if the HC is committed to the run game (except to pass on 3rd and forever) then the passing talent doesn't mean shite.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:28 am to The First Cut
quote:2-2 in title games
ith the offensive changes of late, Saban is 1-2 in title games.
So, since changing his offense with Kiffin, saban has won two national titles and played in 4, with the 5th year being a semi final loss
And this is your argument against the modern offense
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:30 am to BayouCowboy
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I agree to an extent, but if that's the case then why wasn't Saban winning natty's at Mich St? Dantonio has had more success at Sparty than Saban ever did.
He finished 1st and Toledo in 1 year then went to a program that had been bad for years. And he was poached in the 5th year when he finally put it all together. Then he finished first in the West in year 2 at LSU. MSU was an outlier for Saban in CFB.
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It takes a solid administration, resources and good/great HC to be successful.
Sure.
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Meyer and Saban have had huge success, but they also have the largest and best paid support staffs in CFB.
Are we back to the "analyst" argument?
We hired a whole bunch of analysts and did not drastically improve anything this year.
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Alleva has slowly allowed O to add more analysts, but the quality we have compared to Bama isn't even close.
So, like talent, O can only win when he has the best talent on the field and the best talent in support? Great, O will never be successful because that will never be true. Can we move on now?
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Alleva supports O, but is not "all in" which is understandable, but he needs to either be all in or not at all.
I agree, this situation is on Alleva, mostly.
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Case in point was the Canada situation. Whether O was right or not, Alleva undercut his authority.
Annnndddd, back to Canada not O's fault. This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:37 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Michigan never committed to a passing offense while he was there. Like I said... you need more than talent.
Right. You need a fricking system. Which is exactly what we are saying.
Man, as big a Burrow fan as you seem to be, it seems like you’d be just as frustrated with the way he was handled as we are.
And no, it doesn’t take years to put a system in. Look at Florida and Mullen. He stepped into campus and immediately made Felipe Franks, who looked like the worst QB in the conference in 2017, a really solid player and took a 4-7 team to 10-3 with a win over LSU.
Our system took a much more talented QB and made him look limited while going the same 9-3 with a bowl win instead of a loss like in 2017.
I’m not even an E basher. He’s a great Tiger doing the best he can to do a job that he didn’t even want. And if O wants his buddies as his ride or dies I don’t blame him for that either. But he damn sure has to be held accountable.
I can only imagine how good Burrow would be with an offensive mind like Mullen in purple and gold instead of blue and orange.
Burrow will do well this year with more time on campus. He’s had the best training from Meyer, and he’s as gifted as any QB we’ve had in years.
But the system isn’t doing him any favors and likeky won’t do any favors for the next guy that has to step in once our #9 lottery ticket is cashed in next year.
That’s why this year is so critical. If we don’t make a run this year, it won’t happen in the foreseeable future, at least not due to our QB play or “passing offense”.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:43 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
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And no, it doesn’t take years to put a system in. Look at Florida and Mullen. He stepped into campus and immediately made Felipe Franks, who looked like the worst QB in the conference in 2017, a really solid player and took a 4-7 team to 10-3 with a win over LSU.
Boom.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:47 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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But if the HC is committed to the run game (except to pass on 3rd and forever) then the passing talent doesn't mean shite.
With Burrow's completion rate - and LSU's offensive production this year - i'd probably have just went back to running the ball.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:48 am to Freauxzen
Message lost. I'll post later when I can respond.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:48 am to Freauxzen
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So it's always easier for other teams, but O has too many barriers to win? That's the O argument?
I think some of these allegedly pro-Oeaux characters are actually O haters given how little they think of him. REAL Oeaux guys like myself believe in him and expect greatness, it would be insulting to Oeaux to expect less of him than he expects of himself. He wants a championship team and the difficulty of a schedule won't make a difference because he will have his players and coaches ready. No excuses.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:50 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Right. You need a fricking system. Which is exactly what we are saying.
Man, as big a Burrow fan as you seem to be, it seems like you’d be just as frustrated with the way he was handled as we are.
And no, it doesn’t take years to put a system in. Look at Florida and Mullen. He stepped into campus and immediately made Felipe Franks, who looked like the worst QB in the conference in 2017, a really solid player and took a 4-7 team to 10-3 with a win over LSU.
Sullivan was the passing game coordinator. The passing scheme sucked, and the WR's were GROSSLY unprepared, IMO.
It doesn't always take more than a year for QBs and WRs to synch, but it often does. I'm encouraged by the Joe Brady hire, and also encouraged by the passing in the last 4 games.
Sorry, but I can't get all sad about a team that finishes in the top-10 nationally, and plays out of the toughest division in college ball. And yes, I think LSU has a solid shot to get in the playoffs in '19. They damn near snuck in this past season.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:07 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Look at Florida and Mullen. He stepped into campus and immediately made Felipe Franks, who looked like the worst QB in the conference in 2017, a really solid player
You do realize Franks had almost a year starting experience and the only real advantage he had over a Burrow this year is TDs be a very slightly higher rating, virtually negligible?
Burrow had less interceptions, more yardage, more rushing yards in his first year starting.
So, if you're impressed with the second year QB atFlorida...
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 10:16 am
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