re: Coach O Is Crushing It

Must have been my failing eyesight then seeing Mett crawl off the field.

Beating ALA has always been the standard




Beating ALA/Saban has always been the minimum required for an LSU Coach, regardless of name, to have a successful season, win the SECW, & get to the CFP to Compete For Championships.


Now where is the trend line going vs ALA?



Alleva clearly stating This Fact in the Coaching Hire Requirements before the FLA game loss in 2016: The most important job he has is to hire an experienced HC who will compete for championships every year by recruiting and adapting to changes in the game: Excited for upcoming FLA game: Fisher & Herman were still on the list at this point.



FLA game rescheduled due to weather and had to be played in TS on 11/19: 16-10 FLA upset and they win the East.



One week later on Nov 26: "We've got our man," LSU athletic director Joe Alleva proclaimed at Orgeron's introductory press conference Nov. 26, "and he's been here all along."

Even friends and family stated ALA is the game he has to win to compete for championships after he was hired: Dec 2016



Alleva's Letter to Start 2018: Roster has been purpose-built to compete for Championships in SEC, OL/DL/Improve Passing - No Excuses Here




Only now you have to add in Fisher, Mullen, and Herman. They ALL turned around their programs in their first year. And they are all being hyped:

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I wouldnt say "crushing it" but he has helped make LSU a top 10 team once again. But i agree that one year doesnt make a trend , but i do see improvement and 2019 is shaping up nicely for another good season with a pretty good shot at being in the playoffs mix and another top 10 finish.

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Yep. We have an excellent shot at a playoff spot .

Is Clemsons “path” to the playoffs easier than LSUs?

Simple question.


I swear.... there’s no limit you O haters will go to discredit the man.
He’s lost a couple big games but you’re dumb as a brick of you don’t acknowledge he’s won some big games as well.... sat at end of year TWO.

Two years.

This whole thing is just a product of the instant gratification culture we live in.
Everybody wants it now... frick the process or the work that goes into building something.

Once again, luckily for Dabo Clemson fans and admins didn’t take that approach.

Yeah O took over a team that hadn't broken 10 wins since 2013

Ok...

So 2 years?

And we went 9-3 in 2015 with McNeese as the cancelled game

Compared to Clemson who hadn’t s won 10 games since 1990

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Is Clemsons “path” to the playoffs easier than LSUs?

Simple question.

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Up until Dabo started winning they had less resources, less recruiting prowess, less national attention, etc. The path is different, not easier.

LSU plays Alabama every year, sure, but Clemson had to go through Alabama in both NC years. Look, the SEC is tough, but the distance between then SEC and everybody else is MUCH less than it has been in the past.

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I swear.... there’s no limit you O haters will go to discredit the man.
He’s lost a couple big games but you’re dumb as a brick of you don’t acknowledge he’s won some big games as well

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Sure he won Auburn last year and Georgia this year. Those are his good wins.

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Two years.

This whole thing is just a product of the instant gratification culture we live in.
Everybody wants it now... frick the process or the work that goes into building something.

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Wrong. It comes from the realization that people who are great at what they do, are usually great no matter the circumstances that's why they are great at what they do. This goes for anything. That they don't have excuses and they find a way towards success regardless of circumstance, and that's why those people are given newer challenges and more responsibilities over time. And that's why they get "time" when they need it.

Have you ever gotten a really big promotion, with high expectations? Yeah you typically don't get 3 years if you are in a high pressure environment.

And this would be a good point, if I would just be saying "Saban won an NC in 3 years." But I'm not. Literally every single Coach that has won a national championship since like 2003 has done it in 3 years or less except Fisher who did it in 4. That's called a trend.

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Once again, luckily for Dabo Clemson fans and admins didn’t take that approach.

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Because he won hardware in Year 1. He finished first in his division in Year's 1 and 3. That's why he was given more time. O hasn't finished higher than 3.

He won hardware with 5 losses and 4.


Please STAHP with that... it further proves my point that Clemson absolutely has easier path to “hardware” than LSU does.

Clemson lost to Syracuse last year ans beat them in last play game this year.
Yes , I absolutely believe they’d have bigger problems week in and week out in SEC vs playing in acc.

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Wrong. It comes from the realization that people who are great at what they do, are usually great no matter the circumstances that's why they are great at what they do. This goes for anything. That they don't have excuses and they find a way towards success regardless of circumstance, and that's why those people are given newer challenges and more responsibilities over time. And that's why they get "time" when they need it.

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I agree to an extent, but if that's the case then why wasn't Saban winning natty's at Mich St? Dantonio has had more success at Sparty than Saban ever did.

It takes a solid administration, resources and good/great HC to be successful. Meyer and Saban have had huge success, but they also have the largest and best paid support staffs in CFB. Alleva has slowly allowed O to add more analysts, but the quality we have compared to Bama isn't even close. Alleva supports O, but is not "all in" which is understandable, but he needs to either be all in or not at all. Case in point was the Canada situation. Whether O was right or not, Alleva undercut his authority.

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Have you ever gotten a really big promotion, with high expectations? Yeah you typically don't get 3 years if you are in a high pressure environment.

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Depends. Does the new job involve revamping the product/service to a great extent?

Coach O has been charged with putting in a passing offense. That takes some time. That is a major change that Miles avoided for many years.

The last 4 games showed a huge improvement in the pass game. I believe the passing game will make another major leap forward over the Spring and off-season.