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re: Coach O Is Crushing It
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:15 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:15 am to Tiger Voodoo
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First of all, the idea that an Athletic Director charged Ed freaking Orgeron with the task of putting in a “passing offense” would have to be one of the more hilarious thoughts in CFB history.
It's spot on.
You think Alleva is deailing on the Assistant level?
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
Are you crediting Franks’ improvement due primarily to experience and not Mullen?? 
He went from 9 TDS and 8 INTs to 24 TDS and 6 INTs
Then I guess Burrow is going to run away from with the Heisman if all it takes is a year to make the kind of statistical improvement that he did
He went from 9 TDS and 8 INTs to 24 TDS and 6 INTs
Then I guess Burrow is going to run away from with the Heisman if all it takes is a year to make the kind of statistical improvement that he did
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:20 am to Tiger Voodoo
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He went from 9 TDS and 8 INTs to 24 TDS and 6 INTs
Sounds like Mettenberger from 2012-2013
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Then I guess Burrow is going to run away from with the Heisman if all it takes is a year to make the kind of statistical improvement that he did
I certainly expect to see great improvement. It generally happens between starting seasons 1 & 2
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:27 am to Tiger Voodoo
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And no, it doesn’t take years to put a system in. Look at Florida and Mullen. He stepped into campus and immediately made Felipe Franks, who looked like the worst QB in the conference in 2017, a really solid player and took a 4-7 team to 10-3 with a win over LSU.
That's crazy how we need 5 years before we can really judge this offense yet Mullen took Felipe Franks and did better than we did, with less talent mind you.
People will keep making their excuses though. I don't know why, just admit what the facts tell us.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:28 am to Buckeye Jeaux
“ they damn near snuck in this past season”
I guess, if we forget about the fact we went 4-3 in October and November, got embarrassed in TS by Bama, and had a O worse than the one Cam produced in 2015.
But hey, Coach O thinks that coach E did a “great” job and Joe thinks that coach O did a “great” job by going 10-3, 5-3 while producing a O worse than the one we had in 2015.
Nothing for LSU fans to concern themselves about. Nick lost to Clemson in the national championship game after a 9-0 SEC so they are trending down and we are trending up at five and three in the west.
I guess, if we forget about the fact we went 4-3 in October and November, got embarrassed in TS by Bama, and had a O worse than the one Cam produced in 2015.
But hey, Coach O thinks that coach E did a “great” job and Joe thinks that coach O did a “great” job by going 10-3, 5-3 while producing a O worse than the one we had in 2015.
Nothing for LSU fans to concern themselves about. Nick lost to Clemson in the national championship game after a 9-0 SEC so they are trending down and we are trending up at five and three in the west.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:32 am to Goldrush25
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That's crazy how we need 5 years before we can really judge this offense
We don't.
Who is saying that, one or two people?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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quote:
First of all, the idea that an Athletic Director charged Ed freaking Orgeron with the task of putting in a “passing offense” would have to be one of the more hilarious thoughts in CFB history.
It's spot on.
You think Alleva is deailing on the Assistant level?
I was talking about what an absolutely laughable notion it was.
An Athletic Director hand picking a defensive line coach to find the answer to the offensive woes that plagued this program for the better part of a decade is comical.
And yes Alleva did it, which is only one of many reasons that he is a complete clown.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:37 am to Tiger Voodoo
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was talking about what an absolutely laughable notion it was.
So you don't think, after tasking Miles with the same, Orgeron was told on hiring that a passing game was priority?
Seems common sense to me
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He went from 9 TDS and 8 INTs to 24 TDS and 6 INTs
Sounds like Mettenberger from 2012-2013
We changed OCs after 2012. As did UF after 2017.
We, did not.
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certainly expect to see great improvement. It generally happens between starting seasons 1 & 2
Agree there.
It will have very little to do with scheme, unfortunately, which those other examples had to help them in their development.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:39 am to Tiger Voodoo
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We changed OCs after 2012. As did UF after 2017.
2013 was an anomaly for Miles/Cameron. If it's the system, why did it fail afterwards?
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:40 am to Goldrush25
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He stepped into campus and immediately made Felipe Franks, who looked like the worst QB in the conference in 2017, a really solid player and took a 4-7 team to 10-3 with a win over LSU.
Yea right. Franks looked like dogshit most of the year
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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you don't think, after tasking Miles with the same, Orgeron was told on hiring that a passing game was priority?
I’m saying choosing Ed Orgeron out of all people in the world to be coach when offense and a passing game was the priority was laughable, you twit
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:46 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I’m saying choosing Ed Orgeron out of all people in the world to be coach when offense and a passing game was the priority was laughable, you twit
Ah this was just a jab at Orgeron and a chance for you to insult someone again..
Gotcha. My bad, I thought you asked a legit question... should have known
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:53 am to Freauxzen
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He finished 1st and Toledo in 1 year then went to a program that had been bad for years. And he was poached in the 5th year when he finally put it all together. Then he finished first in the West in year 2 at LSU. MSU was an outlier for Saban in CFB.
But MSU is not a bad program. Dantonio proved that. He had 1 year better than 7 wins out of 5 seasons and lost all of his bowl games. His best season was 9 wins. In 12 seasons Dantonio had 10+ wins 7 times and 4 Big Ten champs. So none of this is to say Saban isn't a great coach, but he still needs all the right pieces to fit to be at a very high/elite level.
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Are we back to the "analyst" argument? We hired a whole bunch of analysts and did not drastically improve anything this year.
Correct. This year. Should have happened 2 years ago and it still is far less than OSU or Bama's shadow staff.
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So, like talent, O can only win when he has the best talent on the field and the best talent in support? Great, O will never be successful because that will never be true. Can we move on now?
Doesn't Saban need this? See MSU. Like you said he was getting there in year 5.
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Annnndddd, back to Canada not O's fault.
No it was Alleva and O's fault. The situation was handled poorly internally and in the media.
I was for us getting Jimbo. I wanted baby Briles when got SE instead. The admin we had in place when Saban was here was top notch and they all got poached and we got left with Alleva and F. King running the show. O needs to fight his own insecurities and step outside his comfort zone with hires. He then has to trust them. Alleva needs to either support him or cut him loose. IDK if O can be the HC to get us to elite status, but the mindset needs to change from the top down or it won't happen.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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this was just a jab at Orgeron and a chance for you to insult someone again..
Actually it’s a jab at Alleva.
O himself wouldn’t claim to be the guy to fix an offense. He has to hire someone else to do it.
My question has always been why the middle man? We needed a fresh approach on offense. Virtually everyone agreed on that.
So why not just hire an offensive minded guy to do it from the top down?
Alleva himself seemed to think that was the best course with his top two choices before he got bored and literally phoned in the hire.
And right, because insulting other posters is really my m.o.
ETA: I’m going to remove myself from this thread, it really isn’t worth it. Thanks admin
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:59 am to OTIS2
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Coach O Is Crushing It
I thought there'd be some beer cans to skull pics.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 10:59 am to Mr. Hangover
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Yea right. Franks looked like dog shite most of the year
10-3 while looking like dog shite. That's crazy.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 11:00 am to Goldrush25
24 TDs 6 INTs
Posted on 1/29/19 at 11:01 am to Tiger Voodoo
10-3 for us is crushing it. 10-3 for UF is dog shite.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 11:06 am to Goldrush25
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10-3 while looking like dog shite. That's crazy.
He had rough moments but showed a lot of improvement. The main thing is he learned to not panick. I was impressed with him.
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