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re: Coach O Is Crushing It
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If Lester posted such, it would be viewed as an excuse.
Well, it would certainly be a different set of circumstances. O hasn't been averaging 2.75+ 4star / 5 star offensive line recruits per recruiting class. To me, a lineman with 4 or 5 stars is top end talent. It's very difficult to have that rating as a blocker.
When a coach is filling nearly 3 of 5 position slots yearly with 4 and 5 stars, every year, for years, that's pretty decent. If I'm generous about it, and only consider Ed's two recruiting classes of late, he's averaging 1.5, not even 2 4 star recruits in those positions. So, if 2 4 stars ended up sucking, or leaving or whatever, it would be more of an excuse for the lack of recruiting. If you consider the 17 class of recruits that signed after miles departure, O's only averaging 1 4 or 5 star OL a year.
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Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:19 pm to Lester Earl
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Rosenthal & Wire are the hopes to develop. Both Freshmen. Of course no meangiful snaps yet. Ask me in a year.
Right, but as bad as we were at tackle this year I thought one of those two might see some time. It’s tough for true freshman to come in and play tackle in the SEC, but it’s not unheard of, especially with “top end talent.”
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agree it’s a work in progress. The overall roster construction has improved though. DL is the last of the puzzle.
did you miss how thin we were at CB and RB this year? We failed to address those issues last year. We tried to address them through grad transfers, but Alexander wasn’t very good and we missed on the Cal RB.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:20 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
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It's just ridiculous that the same posters here continue to aggressively assert that major improvements have been made and that an upward trend exists.
There isn't any measurable results that support and favor their argument but for some reason that doesn't matter. Orgeron had a better season this year compared to the shite show last season and now O's crushing it with things trending up.
O has been in charge for nearly 3 full seasons including his time as interim HC. He's been a part of the LSU program since early January in 2015. All this time with the program and there's still isn't any measurable results that show Orgeron has been any better than the fired guy he replaced...... Let alone any type of "Upward Trend".
This is the crux of it. And the reason for debate.
Look, I agree with the idea that it's better to forget about things and just think positively, regardless of evidence. People should just admit that. The information doesn't really support that conclusion at the level of impact.
O had an average season in 2018. Granted that it was better than 2017, and slightly better than some thought (meaning the real 8-5/9-4 predictions), but he didn't make true measurable improvements that show us competing with top teams soon, or even getting to the playoffs. He finished with a worse SEC record too and lost to Saban, Mullen and Fisher - 2 of those again.
I did get a good laugh when UCF was announced. It was the perfect opponent to continue to obscure what O is really going to do to LSU. It "looks" like a great win, but isn't really.
He does get Year 3, but this SHOULD be where we finally find out who he is. Two years of E. A seasoned QB, good young players coming in. He has to be better than 10-3. I'd almost say he has to win some kind of hardware.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:24 pm to Freauxzen
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He does get Year 3
So if he ends up with a two loss season in year three like the previous coach, you cool?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:27 pm to Freauxzen
I remember just a couple years ago when fans were having real debates about whether or not Miles vastly underachieved in 05 and 06 with all the talent he had on those rosters. He went 11-2 in both seasons winning the West in 05 and Sugar Bowl in 06. Orgeron goes 9-4 and 10-3 and ppl are calling him the savior of the program and beyond reproach. 0 inherited a team who’s recruiting classes ranked 2,5 and 2 which is just as good as the aforementioned rosters and we’re supposed to dance naked in the streets over back to back 3rd place finishes? The standards have been lowered there’s no other way to put it.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I'm all good with 11-2 Rog. Bookmark it, remember it, take a picture, whatever. That's a good season. My expectation for the program is always a 10 win regular season and I will always be happy with that.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:30 pm to Madking
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Orgeron goes 9-4 and 10-3 and ppl are calling him the savior of the program and beyond reproach.
Not a single person has said either.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
11-2 would be a great season provided we are competitive in the two losses.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Not true ppl have and the point being fans are overly hyping what he’s accomplished when a lot of those same fans were screaming for Les to be fired over similar and better results.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:34 pm to TigerLunatik
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I'm all good with 11-2 Rog
Im good if it's the floor and we are competitive in the losses.
But deep down inside everyone knows there's one game that carries far more weight than the rest.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So if he ends up with a two loss season in year three like the previous coach, you cool?
I wouldn't sign him to a 10 year contract, and I'm still skeptical of many of his hires and what the Aranda situation looks like (as in, it's pretty clear Aranda is the best coach on the team, and if he was moving on I'd not trust O on a hire), BUT that would be a very good season and buys him maybe a 2-year extension or so. Losing again at the top level would be a problem, and would probably be what happens at 2 losses. O has a tough time when he doesn't have the best team on the field, and that means he'll never win a championship here. But it's worth a shot.
Screenshot that.
Being competitive in losses and Aranda's value in the season are the two outstanding issues for me that would change the way I feel.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:36 pm to Lester Earl
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One(Miles) who did not leave the roster in shape that allows LSU to play up to the lofty expectations the program was once held to.
This is a complete utter fallacy....
Miles signed the 2nd best class in the country which he handed to Orgeron prior to being fired in 2016. LSU was a pre-season Top 5 ranked team just 4 weeks prior to Les Miles being fired and Ed Orgeron being hired as interim HC.
Yeah, poor O was handed down a clunker and was told to take it down to the track and race it.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:39 pm to UpToPar
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did you miss how thin we were at CB and RB this year?
We weren’t thin at CB at all. That is one of the positions that was properly bridged, even after a ton of attrition
RB was mishandled by both regimes on a much smaller scale, esp the year Miles was fired, missing on Akers & Etienne. That’s your bridge right there and they collectively missed. RB will be fine tho, I’m certain
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:41 pm to Freauxzen
Win the West
Win the SEC
Get into the playoffs
Wins a national title
These are the goals, he needs to at least accomplish one of these things before we even consider giving him more years. If he can’t at least get one of these done he needs to go it’s as simple as that.
Win the SEC
Get into the playoffs
Wins a national title
These are the goals, he needs to at least accomplish one of these things before we even consider giving him more years. If he can’t at least get one of these done he needs to go it’s as simple as that.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:42 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
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LSU was a pre-season Top 5 ranked team just 4 weeks prior to Les Miles being fired
Well pres a son ranks are worthless.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But deep down inside everyone knows there's one game that carries far more weight than the rest.
I think I must be one of the very few that isn't concerned as much about that game. For me, the next step is winning every game you're supposed to win. Then we can worry about that one. Obviously a shut out and/or another skull dragging isn't acceptable though.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:42 pm to Mo Jeaux
Not really, took dabo as well as Saban time to build their programs to what the are today.
Both coaches are in what year 11? 12?
God forbid O be extended same courtesy.
Both coaches are in what year 11? 12?
God forbid O be extended same courtesy.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:42 pm to Lester Earl
Huh? We had 3 SEC caliber corners on the entire roster and not a single half SEC RB.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:43 pm to p&g
Saban won the national title in year 3.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:44 pm to Madking
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Win the West
Win the SEC
Get into the playoffs
Wins a national title
These are the goals, he needs to at least accomplish one of these things before we even consider giving him more years. If he can’t at least get one of these done he needs to go it’s as simple as that.
The only way 2 losses means we don't compete somewhere, given our expected high starting rank, is if both losses are in the SEC West. Which is certainly feasible against Saban/Fisher. And I'd agree here, but optics would be terrible. If O goes 0-4 against Saban/Fisher in 2 years....I wouldn't know what to do.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:45 pm
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