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re: CJJ Knew .... How is LSU's pitching lining up....
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:07 am to BayouTiga
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:07 am to BayouTiga
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There is roughly 99.9% of critical information that goes into coaching decisions that the rant and anyone else has no information about.......
Nuff Said......
So you are saying that JJ KNEW the 2nd game was going to go into a rain delay in the bottom of the 3rd inning and he would lose his starting pitcher for the rest of the game which is why he started Skenes in game 1 against a team with 40 losses. If JJ knows all this; he's God. He needs to stop coaching baseball and run the world.
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:09 am to mdomingue
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Hurd was not going to come in without the weather delay.
We were very likely burning Floyd and Hurd yesterday with good weather
It's my position that Hurd was going to pitch yesterday regardless of the weather delay...as evidenced by him warming up to come in against Tulane.
JJ's strategy was to be where we are right now. So, in his mind, his strategy worked.
However, if Hurd beats Tulane, good weather allows us to have Floyd today. That was a possibility that didn't exist because of the decision to start Skenes on Friday
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:09 am to BayouTiga
quote:I am a JJ supporter to my core. But this is just not true. Baseball lends itself to speculation. His starting of Skenes against Tulane is a head scratcher, I will give him the credit that we shouldnt take anything from granted, but Tulane was really really bad.
There is roughly 99.9% of critical information that goes into coaching decisions that the rant and anyone else has no information about.......
I wont nail him to a cross for it, but it was weird.
This team has gaps. We dont have a third baseman that can field and hit. We have to solve that problem. We need a second baseman with range that can at least hit his weight.
Pitching, I give a pass, the injuries were devastating. But partially offset by the dominance of Skenes, no one could have predicted his season.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:10 am to ell_13
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Hurd was ready to come in for Skenes Friday. We were about to use our two best arms against Tulane. That’s where Jay’s mindset was. Skenes going 2 innings deeper than he had all year saved his arse. Imagine Hurd not being able to go 90 pitches yesterday because he was in a 6-2 game for 2 innings vs Tulane. Jay was completely ready to do that to win that game. So weird.
If Hurd had been used a couple innings following Skenes and couldn't go as long yesterday, the only difference is we see Ackenhausen for a while before getting to Guidry.
It's so strange that y'all are twisting yourselves into pretzels making hypotheticals to illustrate why you think Jay's decisions have been so off.
Just enjoy the fact that his decisions have paid off thus far.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:12 am to moneyg
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...because of the weather. If there were good weather, LSU still probably used Floyd and Hurd to get through the game.
If weather was good and Skenes is on the bump, LSU likely still has Floyd for today.
That's impossible to predict that. You have no idea how long Floyd would have gone with good weather. If he goes 6-8 innings, it's very likely we don't see Hurd at all and we go with Ackenhausen/Guidry to close it out.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:17 am to BayouTiga
Y'all keep flexing but need to remember that skip started his ace 2nd every time.
It worked out for Jay this time because of the weather but pitching skenes vs 19-40 Tulane instead of one of the hottest offenses in the nation was crazy brave if it was based on weather. If it was purely s baseball decision it was a bad move.
It worked out for Jay this time because of the weather but pitching skenes vs 19-40 Tulane instead of one of the hottest offenses in the nation was crazy brave if it was based on weather. If it was purely s baseball decision it was a bad move.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:19 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Twisting what? Hurd was throwing in the bullpen Friday. If he throws two innings or 30 pitches, he doesn’t even start after the delay yesterday. That’s not some random hypothetical. It was plan A.
It's so strange that y'all are twisting yourselves into pretzels making hypotheticals to illustrate why you think Jay's decisions have been so off.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:25 am to GA Tiger
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So you are saying that JJ KNEW the 2nd game was going to go into a rain delay in the bottom of the 3rd inning and he would lose his starting pitcher for the rest of the game which is why he started Skenes in game 1 against a team with 40 losses. If JJ knows all this; he's God. He needs to stop coaching baseball and run the world.
You can either take his post to say that Johnson is the .01% that could predict the scenario of your post, including timing of weather, or that he is part of the .01% that made a coaching decision he thought was best for his team.
He wanted Skenes to throw as many innings in this tournament as possible. It’s not an unreasonable strategy, and our pitching looked really good yesterday. This may be one of the more painful fits of stupidity I have ever seen on the rant. Like take a step back, yea we still have work to do but we are completely in the drivers seat in this regional and pretty much have been the entire time. ALL of the anxiety is coming from people that wanted Skenes to throw yesterday, even after it was proven unnecessary.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:29 am to Mickey Goldmill
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That's impossible to predict that. You have no idea how long Floyd would have gone with good weather.
Like everyone else here, I am guessing at JJ's thought process.
If you assume that his overall plan hinged on Skenes going 9 innings if at all possible, no matter which game he started, the decision makes sense. If that's the plan, the one game you are most likely to have that outcome is against Tulane. Even assuming that, I personally think he should've gone Floyd then Skenes, and without a rain delay, that may have been the better call? We will never know.
Regardless, I don't believe he ever considered starting Hurd one of the first two games and I'm perfectly ok with that.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:31 am to ell_13
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Twisting what? Hurd was throwing in the bullpen Friday. If he throws two innings or 30 pitches, he doesn’t even start after the delay yesterday. That’s not some random hypothetical. It was plan A.
So if Hurd doesn't pitch at all yesterday, then he would start today. How is that so awful of a plan? If we are assuming good weather, Floyd + Ackenhausen/Guidry yesterday to be followed by Hurd in Game 3 is not a bad plan.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:34 am to Solo Cam
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Y'all keep flexing but need to remember that skip started his ace 2nd every time.
Skip has not coached in a single player on LSUs rosters lifetime. Bringing this point up is grasping at thin air.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:35 am to Mickey Goldmill
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How is that so awful of a plan?
Because its not his plan and he thinks he know more than coach Jay.
Hes been melting down since Jay was hired.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:43 am to ell_13
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Literally no one, not even Jay after the game, mentioned weather as a factor because it wasn’t at the time.
So because Jay doesn’t explicitly say “weather” it was a non factor. Bull.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:43 am to OceanMan
quote:What the frick are you saying exactly? Skip hasn't coached since one of the players on this roster has been alive?
Skip has not coached in a single player on LSUs rosters lifetime. Bringing this point up is grasping at thin air.
Do me a favor real quick and tell me you disagree with how Skip Bertman coached baseball please
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:47 am to Solo Cam
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Do me a favor real quick and tell me you disagree with how Skip Bertman coached baseball please
Skip hasn’t coached in a very long time. The game and times change even for the best coach that’s ever done it. Skip isn’t in that locker room.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:47 am to ell_13
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not even Jay after the game, mentioned weather as a factor
He doesn't owe anyone an explanantion/list of factors that go into his decision making. Not saying it was a factor but to dismiss it because he didn't say it, especially regarding a topic he said he would not comment on during the postseason (pitching and injuries) is pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because its not his plan and he thinks he know more than coach Jay.
Bingo. I’ve been saying it since before the game started Friday. They want things done THEIR way. Of course, cue the “weLLllL SKiP diD iT tHaT WaY so It’s THA RITE CAWL!”
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:51 am to TigerKW
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He doesn't owe anyone an explanantion/list of factors that go into his decision making.
He DOES owe us an explanation and needs to tell us EXACTLY why he made his pitching decisions. But he certainly does NOT have to answer questions about leaving runners in base.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:56 am to Solo Cam
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Y'all keep flexing but need to remember that skip started his ace 2nd every time.
in an entirely different postseason format.
For the record, I was personally against starting Skenes but am very happy in hindsight....
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:02 am to Solo Cam
quote:How does OSU handle breaking balls? Do you have the baseball decision stats on that?
Tulane instead of one of the hottest offenses in the nation was crazy brave if it was based on weather. If it was purely s baseball decision it was a bad move
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