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re: CJJ Knew .... How is LSU's pitching lining up....
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:42 am to moneyg
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:42 am to moneyg
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That's why you save Skenes for Sat.
To go 2-0, Johnson had to use his top 3 pitchers...his only top notch arms. That's exactly what we were trying to avoid heading into this regional...because everyone knows what we have behind those 3.
What's a realistic prediction for how many runs we give up today? 9? 10?
LSU's pitching is toast. The only question is whether OSU's pitching is more toast. Hang on to your butts.
Our pitching situation would likely be the exact same now had Skenes pitched Saturday (or worse, depending on how Hurd/Floyd would have done on Friday). The weather delay on Saturday is why we had to use our 3 best starters. It had nothing to do with Skenes going Friday vs Saturday.
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:45 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Hurd was ready to come in for Skenes Friday. We were about to use our two best arms against Tulane. That’s where Jay’s mindset was. Skenes going 2 innings deeper than he had all year saved his arse. Imagine Hurd not being able to go 90 pitches yesterday because he was in a 6-2 game for 2 innings vs Tulane. Jay was completely ready to do that to win that game. So weird.
The weather delay on Saturday is why we had to use our 3 best starters. It had nothing to do with Skenes going Friday vs Saturday.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 7:46 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:48 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Our pitching situation would likely be the exact same now had Skenes pitched Saturday (or worse, depending on how Hurd/Floyd would have done on Friday). The weather delay on Saturday is why we had to use our 3 best starters. It had nothing to do with Skenes going Friday vs Saturday.
...because of the weather. If there were good weather, LSU still probably used Floyd and Hurd to get through the game.
If weather was good and Skenes is on the bump, LSU likely still has Floyd for today.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:55 am to LSURulzSEC
As if he would tell us. My word. He don’t give a shite what you think. He makes decision and sure as hell ain’t going to tell us the reason.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:56 am to BayouTiga
Had we held Skenes, we would have only gotten 3 innings out of him this regional. Instead, our bullpen is ready and Skenes will be rested for the Supers. We may not make it, but this is the best position we could be in at the moment.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:56 am to BayouTiga
It’s all analytics based. They crunched the numbers and variables, and opted to go the route they did.
tRant is too emotional for analytics
tRant is too emotional for analytics
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:59 am to TaderSalad
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It’s all analytics based
bullshite
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:09 am to moneyg
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bullshite
Compelling rebuttal.
You may have convinced me that all the experts don’t use analytics in their decision making. We’re just paying a staff of analysts to BBQ with CJJ on the weekends I.suppose.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:10 am to moneyg
DP.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 8:11 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:11 am to moneyg
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Again, the discussion was probably “how do we set it up and get the most out of the staff based on season to date - all factors considered.
That's why you save Skenes for Sat.
Without the benefit of hindsight, that is a fair argument.
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To go 2-0, Johnson had to use his top 3 pitchers...his only top notch arms. That's exactly what we were trying to avoid heading into this regional...because everyone knows what we have behind those 3.
That statement is silly and does not support you first statement. If anything, in hindsight it refutes it.
Explain to me how that is any different if we pitch Skenes on Saturday. The only reason this happened was the weather delay. Floyd was doing just fine until then, Hurd was not going to come in without the weather delay. With the delay, Hurd was coming in regardless of who the starter was.
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LSU's pitching is toast. The only question is whether OSU's pitching is more toast. Hang on to your butts.
Do you think LSU's pitching staff is in worse shape than Oregon State's pitching staff? I know the answer to that will not be conducive to your weeping vagina mentality, so I don't expect an answer. Well, at least not a logical one.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:19 am to moneyg
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Do you think Hurd pitching on Friday would have put LSU in a stronger position?
Knowing what we know now, no not at all. Hurd pitches Friday, we burn bullpen arms, then Skenes gets screwed with a long rain delay yesterday and we throw Floyd after the delay. At best, it’s a push.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 8:20 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:29 am to mdomingue
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Explain to me how that is any different if we pitch Skenes on Saturday. The only reason this happened was the weather delay. Floyd was doing just fine until then, Hurd was not going to come in without the weather delay. With the delay, Hurd was coming in regardless of who the starter was.
You just said what I said.
Because of the weather, it didn’t matter. We were very likely burning Floyd and Hurd yesterday with good weather. We likely wouldn’t have burned two starters had Skenes pitched with good weather.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:39 am to ELVIS U
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Had we held Skenes, we would have only gotten 3 innings out of him this regional.
Yep
Jay knows his players far better than the average band fig who has watched a few games and thinks they know baseball.
They will never admit they're idiots though. They'll keep crying because they did not get their way
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:41 am to TaderSalad
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It’s all analytics based.
tRant thinks their analytics trump the coaches who has access to far more information than these retards do.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:47 am to moneyg
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You just said what I said.
You need to reread what you quoted and what you said here.
quote:quote:We were very likely burning Floyd and Hurd yesterday with good weather
Hurd was not going to come in without the weather delay.
Those say opposite things.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:48 am to mdomingue
We are in better shape than them for sure thanks to Hurd going as long as he did. Start Coleman unless you think there might be a long delay after the game starts. If a delay is expected start Money and bring in Coleman at restart.
You still have Ack, Cooper, Dutton, Herring, and could probably use Guidry again in a pinch and if no delay and Coleman starts then you also have Money. Just please leave Little on the bench lol
You still have Ack, Cooper, Dutton, Herring, and could probably use Guidry again in a pinch and if no delay and Coleman starts then you also have Money. Just please leave Little on the bench lol
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:58 am to kciDAtaE
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Haha. A bunch of idiots on a message board bitching about a win is not a shitstorm
Yup. More like a little girls tea party gone whiny.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 8:58 am to BayouTiga
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CJJ knew
Considering all he had to do was check the weather to make his decision Im sure he did lol. He had up until game time Friday to decide. Getting every inning he could out on skenes was Checkmate if you ask me.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:02 am to Penrod
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think CJJ also was feeling very confidant in a Floyd/Hurd pitched game.
This is really all it was. He had confidence in his pitchers to go out and execute.
BuT pItChInG skENeS frIdAY MeanS hE HaS No CoNfiDeNCe In ThE StAfF!!
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:05 am to moneyg
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Most predictable outcome? Is that what we should be shooting for?
We should be shooting for advancing. We are in a great position to do that.
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2 questions. Do you think Hurd could have handled Tulane? Do you think Hurd pitching on Friday would have put LSU in a stronger position?
I mean the way he pitched yesterday, yeah I think he could have handled Tulane and lots of other teams. He showed a lot of heart and skill. As far as a stronger position? That’s really hard to say. It keeps getting ignored that the strategy wasn’t just to start Skenes, it was to have him pitch the entire game. If Hurd was able to pitch a complete game on Friday and get a W, then sure I would have preferred to have Skenes on the mound on Saturday. But today, it’s hard to imagine being in a better position with arms.
The point is, throwing Skenes on Friday was as not the end of the world, it was part of a strategy that has left us with lots of arms. That is, the strategy worked and the people that said it was a horrible coaching decision are being proved wrong in real time. People said the coach was scared, but we’re melting down because we went down a few runs with like 16 innings guaranteed left to play. It’s pitiful that people behave this way and pitiful that they can come out the other side somehow feeling justified.
And that’s ignoring some of the finer points of throwing Skenes first such as rest time, morale and confidence from grinding a W yesterday.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 9:07 am
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