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re: Chavis D vs. Urbans O...
Posted on 8/2/09 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/2/09 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Sure, their defense sucked in 2007. It was awesome last year. #1 in total defense and #3 in scoring defense in the SEC. And that's with no help on offense.
2006's defense was pretty mediocre. Or it could be one of the best defenses in the conferences like in 2005.
If you believe in dishonest argument, you can cherrypick any of those seasons to prove whatever you want about Chavis. I think a better way to say it is that his defenses are usually good, but it's not like he didn't drop a turd in 2007 followed up by a great defense in 2008.
2006's defense was pretty mediocre. Or it could be one of the best defenses in the conferences like in 2005.
If you believe in dishonest argument, you can cherrypick any of those seasons to prove whatever you want about Chavis. I think a better way to say it is that his defenses are usually good, but it's not like he didn't drop a turd in 2007 followed up by a great defense in 2008.
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Posted on 8/2/09 at 4:09 pm to Baloo
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think a better way to say it is that his defenses are usually good
It can vary depending on what folk think is good.
Statistically, UT was pretty bad on defense in 2004 although they made the SEC title game that year. Same thing appeared to have happened in 2007.
This post was edited on 8/2/09 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 8/2/09 at 4:13 pm to Brendoni
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last year tebow was 8/15 for 96 yrds and 2 tds, no uf rb ran for over 55 yrds against tennessee. their offense was held to 243 total yards and 2 tds. the final score was 30-6.
to be fair, this was when UF's offense was hovering in the 40s-50s
they didn't actually start aggressive playcalling until LSU, then they steamrolled
Posted on 8/2/09 at 4:13 pm to dukke v
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ASU Maybe, BUT NO excuses for the TENN game. They had the game at halftime and blew it. Remember that TENN flew in the day of the game. NOT EASY!!!!!!!!!!!
The second half defensive game plan with Clausen at QB IMHO was every bit as much of the problem if not more than hurricaine related issues IMHO.
Allowing Clausen to complete short routes due to soft coverage, which is basically all his arm strength really allowed him to do (and we should have known that), prolonged drives and kept our defense on the field for long stretches.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 4:14 pm to Baloo
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If you believe in dishonest argument, you can cherrypick any of those seasons to prove whatever you want about Chavis.
let's review what i said and what comment it was in reply to
he said:
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His stats are always very good
i said:
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2007 wants to have a word with you
Posted on 8/2/09 at 4:16 pm to Tiger Ugly
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The second half defensive game plan with Clausen at QB IMHO was every bit as much of the problem if not more than hurricaine related issues IMHO.
Allowing Clausen to complete short routes due to soft coverage, which is basically all his arm strength really allowed him to do (and we should have known that), prolonged drives and kept our defense on the field for long stretches.
AND who's fault is that!!!!
Posted on 8/2/09 at 4:18 pm to dukke v
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AND who's fault is that!!!!
IMHO Pellini's.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 4:19 pm to dukke v
Urban has never lost to UT. 2004 was the last UT win. The only game Chavis has ever slowed down UF ws in 2005 when they allowed UF 21 pts. UT also finished with a losing record that year. UF also lost to South Car. that year.
59 big ones put up last year.
59 big ones put up last year.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 5:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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to be fair, this was when UF's offense was hovering in the 40s-50s
they didn't actually start aggressive playcalling until LSU, then they steamrolled
doesn't matter, as a whole the uf offense didn't do very well against tennessee's defense. just like in 07, though ut's defense wasn't ranked high they held lsu's offense to one touchdown. chavis is a good coach, and the postion coaches les added will make his defense very good at lsu (in time). i don't know that we will be dominant on defense next year, but we will be a hell of a lot better. my only concern is the de postion. chavis likes a small, fast de which lsu only has a hanfull of. will the depth at that position effet our defense as the season goes on? who knows.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 5:58 pm to BaysideBama
Guys, Chavis D will be better at LSU than Tennesse because of Ron Cooper and Brick Haley. Thos two IMO are going to prove worth their weight in Gold. Chavis will add his twist of course, but these two guys will bring some good things to the table. People break down what Chavis did at Tenn. and that will not be the product you see on the field. Our secondary will be vastly improved because of Ron cooper. Chavis linebackers and Brick DLine. You will see our defense is going to be tough.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:07 pm to ZATGRFAN
i agree about haley and cooper but i don't know what his defense will be better at lsu than it was at tennesse. lsu's defense will be better though.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:10 pm to AlwysATgr
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Agreed. But Chavis had enough talent at Tenn that he should never, ever have been blown out.
I don't think Chavis is the greatest DC in the world (although I do think he's much better than Malveto, and also a little better than the overrated Pelini) but Tenn did not have great talent on defense that year. They started 2-3 true freshman and one Juco in the secondary, and did not have much at defensive tackle.
Tenn simply has not recruited as well as LSU has over the last five years or so.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:12 pm to dukke v
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AND who's fault is that!!!!
yours
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:13 pm to TheDoc
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"The Defensive Backfield saw a slew of injuries and changes. The season started with Jonathan Hefney and Jerod Parrish at safety, while Antonio Gaines and Marsalous Johnson started at cornerback. However, only Hefney retained his spot, as injury and impressive play allowed Freshmen Eric Berry, Brent Vinson and Dennis Rogan to emerge for the unit. Junior College transfer DeAngelo Willingham also saw significant time."
Yep, good stuff. As I've thought before, 3 true freshmen and 1 Juco were among their top five defensive backs.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:15 pm to ColtsTigers
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Tenn simply has not recruited as well as LSU has over the last five years or so.
to be honest, they've had talent on defense. robert ayers, alber haynesworth, jerod mayo, eric berry ect. just look at the draft over the past few years. i think that trend will continue with chavis at lsu. on the other hand, it's not like tennessee had a bunch of scrubs out there.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:20 pm to ColtsTigers
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I don't think Chavis is the greatest DC in the world (although I do think he's much better than Malveto, and also a little better than the overrated Pelini) but Tenn did not have great talent on defense that year. They started 2-3 true freshman and one Juco in the secondary, and did not have much at defensive tackle.
Tenn simply has not recruited as well as LSU has over the last five years or so.
Well said!
We don't need to speculate as to whether LSU's defense will be better under Chavis and co. We've already seen it on the field in the spring, and we've read the praise written by every knowledgeable observer, from writer in every SEC state and the national media.
Remember, the #1 defense held the #1 offense...the fourth-highest scoring offense in the SEC from last year...scoreless for much of the spring.
In fact, the #1 offense didn't score on the #1 defense until the staff started them out on the fifty yard line.
Everyone who's seen the defense perform has noticed the enthusiasm, the aggressiveness, and the tackling. No long plays were given up all spring.
And all this playing vanilla defense, against as talented an offense as they will see all year long.
It's going to be a great year. Don't wait to get on the band wagon.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:32 pm to Brendoni
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to be honest, they've had talent on defense. robert ayers, alber haynesworth, jerod mayo, eric berry ect. just look at the draft over the past few years. i think that trend will continue with chavis at lsu. on the other hand, it's not like tennessee had a bunch of scrubs out there.
Yes, they've had some standouts. But LSU will never have 3 true freshmen and 1 Juco among their top 5 DBs like Tenn had two years ago.
Tenn has had to grab-arse in recruiting bc they lost the buzz they had after the Peyton years, and they don't have any instate talent. So the depth of talent there simply was not at the same level as LSU.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 6:43 pm to ColtsTigers
Can someone please explain to me why the state of Tennessee is so devoid of high school football talent? It's a pretty big state population-wise AFA the SEC goes.
You'd think they'd have at least as much talent Mississippi, or at least close to Alabama, given they have more population than either of those states.
You'd think they'd have at least as much talent Mississippi, or at least close to Alabama, given they have more population than either of those states.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 7:38 pm to TheBob
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In 2001 the man had Albert Haynesworth, and John Henderson right next to each other, and couldn't stop LSU and the QB draw.
You mean to say Chavis couldn't stop LSU with two players on defense. Didn't he know he could play eleven men on defense?
If my memory serves me correctly, Tennesse was shuting us down until our starting QB got hurt, and some white kid came in and started running around like a maniac.
Posted on 8/2/09 at 8:30 pm to ColtsTigers
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Tenn has had to grab-arse in recruiting bc they lost the buzz they had after the Peyton years,
not true
they fell in recruiting for 2 reasons
1. USC owning california
2. UGA owning georgia
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