re: CBS Sports has O on the hot seat.

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The brand was suffering.

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Because of the losses.

Had LSU won the title in 2011 and continued to win bashing teams in the mouth with a 1975 style offense, he'd still be here.

At the end of the day, it's ALWAYS about wins and losses. To suggest otherwise would be to suggest we'd be happy with some Air Raid offense that was "fun" to watch but got us 7 wins a year. That's ludicrous.

Miles was fired because his antiquated offense was seen as largely RESPONSIBLE for continuing to lose the big games and that was keeping LSU out of the bigger discussion. But were it not for the concrete losses this would be a moot point.

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How many coaches with the resume of Miles get fired mid-season?

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Can’t name a single one. It’s why it was such a ridiculous move that should have already cost Alleva his job.

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How many schools have seriously considered him since he was let go?

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We have no idea. We also have no idea how seriously Miles’ desire is to coach again. Seems pretty happy spending time with family and acting

Oh, and also still actively praising and promoting the LSU brand.

Seems like a guy that is happy collecting millions to do just that.

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Every school in the country was negatively recruiting against him.

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This is completely fabricated. His last three classes were the best three year recruiting stretch in history.

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LSU was getting harder to sell (recruits and our own fans) and it was quantifiable.

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Please, quantify it for us

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It had NOTHING to do with wins/losses.

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So then we are to believe you were happy with the record under Miles since 2012?

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CBS Sports has O on the hot seat.
Makes sense.

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Great in depth post
Would down vote again

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I agree in normal circumstances...but Orgeron was billed as a continuation hire. Hell...his OC and DC are still from the previous staff. In addition, while he was just the interim in 2016, he coached a total of 9 games that year.

Sadly, we set this strange situation up...but we ought not be held hostage to the normal way of going even if it hurts more.

If we can't tell the direction of the program after 36 or so games with Orgeron as the head coach, what are we going to learn after the next 13?

Again...had we hired from outside and the new HC brought in his own staff and we did a complete revamp fo the program...yes, ABSOLUTELY you give him 3 year or more to see if what he's doing works...provided it's not idiotic and obviously tanking your quality program. But we did not do that. We hired from within and were promised positive change ASAP. Now we're being sold that we need to give him the same amount of time as someone who had never been on campus before he was hired.

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Great post GTTM

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Les Miles was fired because the brand of football he was playing was damaging LSU. It was causing a lot of harm to the "business" of LSU.... that means $$$$.

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You have no idea what you are talking about.

Please, explain how $$$$$ had gone down under Les Miles.

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Why couldn't we recruit and develop QB's? How tough has it been on O to sell that he is changing our brand?

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If lack of QB development was the fatal flaw for Miles, why on God’s green earth was Ed fricking Orgeron hired to take his place????

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8-9 wins didn't get Miles fired. Running the same play 90% of the time got him fired. IT was creating a situation where, as stated above, it began to affect revenue and it was only trending worse.

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Same play 90% of the time?? Let me guess, even your sister could call the play amirite

But please, elaborate on your claimed decline in revenue due to scheme or brand. Provide data for this assertion please and thanks

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8-9 wins a year, good QB play, good offense..... Miles is still our coach. Because people still pay to see that, and recruits would still want to play in that scheme.

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Again, provide data to support that people were no longer paying to see LSU under Miles. Provide data that shows recruits no longer wanted to play for him

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Think bigger, and don't let the dummies convince you that it was because he was only winning 9 games.

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“Our commitment to excellence and competing at the highest level is unwavering, and our goals for the remainder of this season haven’t changed. We have an obligation to our student-athletes to put them in the best position to have success on the football field each week and we have great confidence that coach Orgeron will do just that.”

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Les Miles was fired because the brand of football he was playing was damaging LSU. It was causing a lot of harm to the "business" of LSU.... that means $$$$.

He was asked for many years to fix it... and he wouldn't. Why will no program in America touch him? Because they don't want the brand of football he brings.



Wrong. Neither the fans or TAF gave a damn about what “style” LSU played. He could have done nothing but QB sneaks every play, if the result ended in wins, he still remains the coach.

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Why couldn't we recruit and develop QB's? How tough has it been on O to sell that he is changing our brand?


We have recruited highly ranked QBs every year. Development was an issue but what do you expect in a “run first” offense?

Recruiting only relies on winning (and the under the table stuff you can give them).

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8-9 wins didn't get Miles fired. Running the same play 90% of the time got him fired. IT was creating a situation where, as stated above, it began to affect revenue and it was only trending worse.


Wrong. As pointed out above. If you care about the plays a coach is running over whether or not it results in a win, then you are an idiot.

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8-9 wins a year, good QB play, good offense..... Miles is still our coach. Because people still pay to see that, and recruits would still want to play in that scheme.


Wrong. LSU is not a team that should or will settle for “decent seasons”. If they are not shooting for National championships, then they should fold the program and put that money elsewhere.

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Think bigger, and don't let the dummies convince you that it was because he was only winning 9 games. The guy won a national title and played in another. The brand was suffering.


Wrong. The brand was suffering BECAUSE we were not winning. And it’s debatable that the brand was suffering. Les was still bringing in top 10 recruiting classes and TAF was still making bank.

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And this is why you will likely never be in charge of anything important.

Failing to see LSU as a business is why most of you don't get it. If you think "business" is merely about wins and losses, there is no reason to keep discussing the subject with you, because you will never get it.

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Failing to see LSU as a business is why most of you don't get it. If you think "business" is merely about wins and losses, there is no reason to keep discussing the subject with you, because you will never get it.

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Please, oh captain of industry, explain how Ed Orgeron provides a financial boon to the LSU business portfolio.

“Les Miles was fired”

Because 10 losses in his last two years and four games was not acceptable at LSU and it wasn’t making LSU truly competitive in their goal to win the west.

LSU could’ve run the wishbone and Miles would still be here if his L’s had remained at 2+ and he was having top 10 teams.

This is not rocket science. When a coach has his team performing at a SEC West competitive level and a top 10 level, the expectation is that he will continue to do so. When he doesn’t, his job is in jeopardy.

“8-9 wins a year”

That’s ridiculous. You can run the most productive offense in the SEC, but if you only win eight games you are failing at your job which is to win the west.

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Not really. He won 9 games last year. This year he has his own hand picked coordinators, QB, etc.

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He had his hand picked OC last year too. No one put a gun to his head and told him to hire Canada.

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quote: Surely the numbers showing O’s impact on the bottom line, or $$$$$ as cra cra Rockefeller puts it, should already be apparent after seven fiscal quarters

If you've followed College football for decades, you would know this answer.

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Please, enlighten me.