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re: Can we talk about Daronte Jones for minute?
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:38 pm to JWill409
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:38 pm to JWill409
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I think I remember Jones saying he wanted an aggressive 4-2-5 look. There was nothing aggressive about that defense. Something tells me he was handcuffed.
I agree, and it is still a base 4 man front, with a Nickle rather than 3 LB. You can still rush 4 men on QB from either front, the 34 gives more flexibility and now you have 8 guys on the field that are more apt to play in space (modern football) rather than 4-3 which was designed by Coach Landry believe it or not when he was the DC for the NY Giants to stop Jim Brown, in the late 50's when he was there and thru out the 60's to stop Packers Jim Taylor/Paul Horning and Gayle Sayers, etc and pressure QB's with a 4 man front and have ability to play 7 in coverage which was more than enough to handle passing games back then for the most part. Very good defense for football in the 50's well into the 90's and even early 2000's.
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Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:40 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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Daronte had no answers when they started attacking the middle of the field
Which is exactly what you would expect them to do with our outside corners
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:25 am to bamahata
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Where on is resume does it show that he is a proven defensive coordinator? Him being the DC at Jeanerette and Franklin High tells alot, especially seeing how unprepared the defense was. Is this just a case of the old Rooney Rule?
You can make a pretty good case that this is related to race because it was widely reported that Orgeron was going to hire a black coordinator. That limits the pool of coaches significantly.
But, even if you ignore that, Jones wasn't a good hire on paper. It was alarming when, after being hired, he made the statement that scheme wasn't important.
Instead, his approach was to simplify things so that players were so comfortable that they could play fast. Comparing that goal to what we saw is pretty strong evidence that Jones' lack of experience as a coordinator is playing a large part in our problems.
People always argue about scheme and football knowledge a guy has. Crowton was a great example. Some said he was an elite mind.
But, it doesn't matter if you can't take the knowledge and implement the desired scheme. That's what I think Brady did for Ensminger. He broke everything down in way that was successfully implemented in a single offseason. The WRs, QBs and RBs understood the system to such a great degree that we were always a step or two ahead of our competition because we could adjust on the fly.
When players are looking at each other for answers before the ball is snapped you are done before you start.
Jones is probably a very good position coach. Obviously, that's very different than running the show.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 1:03 am to AtlantaLSUfan
quote:And that's exactly what I had questions/concerns about as I've stated numerous times on here.
Daronte had no answers when they started attacking the middle of the field.
LSU/SEC is no place for On The Job Training.
How many NFL or College teams were beating his door down to hire him to be their DC?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 1:13 am to sheek
Young and can relate to the players ! This is all the rant could say while replacing coordinators.. Are we going back to old and experienced for our next hires?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:19 am to bamahata
This is the problem with having a cheerleader shrimp boat captain HC....nobody there to quality assure what the DC is doing
Posted on 9/6/21 at 5:31 am to bamahata
Something that no one has mentioned is that we are still trying to run a 4-3 base.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 6:12 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Daronte Jones was recommended by Aranda. Ed is trying to recapture the defensive success Aranda had here.
Highly doubtful considering the type of defense. Jones is not from Aranda tree like the 2 from Wisconsin.
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Sometimes you need to run a scheme that matches the players you have, not try to make players fit a scheme they aren't made for.
Yeah. Jones doesn’t have Aranda’s intelligence but to entertain your logic why did Clark look so great when he played for Aranda? Baskerville also played and looked decent with Aranda.
Aranda's schemes were highly complex. They tried to “dummy down” a simple 4-3 because Ed O still thinks he is in high school.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:31 am to ArcticTiger
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Something that no one has mentioned is that we are still trying to run a 4-3 base.
the 3/4 man front is largely irrelevant b/c simple coverage issues have plagued us since Aranda left
the back end is the real issue, not the front line
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:33 am to semjase
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How many NFL or College teams were beating his door down to hire him to be their DC?
The same number of NFL or college coaches DCs beating down O’s door for the LSU DC job.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
I couldn't understand at all how a simple adjustment to chip their TE to throw him off his routes wasn't used.
All of his big catches he was in a 3 point stance. Have BJ or Gaye literally hit him and knock him off his route. We all saw once DTR didn't have his first look he would immediately scramble.
This is elementary type shite that's so frustrating to not see
All of his big catches he was in a 3 point stance. Have BJ or Gaye literally hit him and knock him off his route. We all saw once DTR didn't have his first look he would immediately scramble.
This is elementary type shite that's so frustrating to not see
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:42 am to Magician2
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I couldn't understand at all how a simple adjustment to chip their TE to throw him off his routes wasn't used.
Chip adjusted. Jones had literally nothing in response. They spammed us the rest of the game.
What sucks is that we held the edge REALLY well the first quarter. Even Ali Gaye was doing it well, and he was TERRIBLE at that last year. But then after they hit a few big plays and our offense couldn't sustain drives, the D got tired.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:51 am to Sleepy_Tiger
This guy was 100% hired because of reasons that have nothing to do with football. What you saw Saturday is the result of that. Both sides of the ball were extremely predictable, lacked creativity, and seemed totally over their heads. Thank goodness Boutte is elite and can make guys miss or they would’ve lost by 2 more scores. This team is in deep deep trouble.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:52 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Why didn’t Aranda hire his arse?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 7:53 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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But we should have multiple players on the roster that can play up to a Queen or Phillips level
Huh? The first rounder? Queen was an animal.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
No I meant I can't believe Jones didn't have our DEs chip that TE when he was in a stance on the line. Throw him off his route.
You see it all the time in the NFL the good TEs that come in close to the line are always hit by the DE to try and throw them off their route and that split second can be the difference.
You see it all the time in the NFL the good TEs that come in close to the line are always hit by the DE to try and throw them off their route and that split second can be the difference.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:10 am to moneyg
Well in O’s defense he had Ryan Nielsen wrapped up until the Saints shut it down. Then we got Jones. I think they mainly wanted to go younger, as the previous staff was on the older side.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:11 am to JKChesterton
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I don't see any 1st rounders at the LB corp.
There aren’t any draft picks in the LB group
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:25 am to MOT
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Pomansky
Maybe, just maybe, having a convicted felon that is ignorant about anything than fraudulent marketing as part of the selection process isn’t a great idea?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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not the front line
Uh, the DL got their shite pushed in physically, the DE’s regularly got caught crashing down inside giving up 10-12 yard around the end. The D was horrific other than Ricks, and includes Stingley
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