re: Can we pull a few threads from when Daniels decided to return for his last year

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Correct. This is a gotcha thread. I was right , you was wrong type shite.

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Yeah, but this is another level. It is one thing to say a kid probably wont get any better next year over last (I will go out on a limb and say Kaleb Jackson is that kid for 2025), but to do it with a QB who showed raw skills if not results in his first season in a new system at a new school is being ignorant of history.

Mettenberger did it, to a lesser extent, Etling did it, and of course Burrow did it. I mean, we were 3 of 3 already at QB's having either much better to extraordinary seasons in their second full season at LSU as a starter.

What really shocks me at this point is, over a 10 year period, we are now 4 for 4 with second season starting QB's improving over year 1, and while Nuss isnt a transfer, there are more than a few people on here that feel he has peaked.

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JD's 2,913 yards in 2022 were good for 43rd in the country that season, and 35 of the QB's ahead of him played fewer games.

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43rd in total passing yards is above average, and it ignores his rushing yards. FTR, he was 33rd in total yards per game. That's pretty damn good.

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His 17 passing touchdowns were good for 66th in the nation, and again, 57 of those QB's played fewer games.

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Again, you're ignoring his rushing TDs. He was 33rd in the nation again. Combine his passing and rushing TDs, and you're saying he's pretty damn good again.

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He only threw 3 picks. That's great.

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It is great.

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His completion percentage was 68.6, or 9th in the country. That's good.

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Uhhh, Top Ten in the country is just "good"? I think your bias is showing. Top Ten in the country is great; might even be elite. Moreover, it's significantly better that Burrow in 2018 (79th at 57.8%) and Nuss in 2024 (41st at 64.2%).

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7.5 ypa isn't great

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It's not bad either. It was 56th in 2022. Nuss was 44th (7.7) in 2024, and Burrow was 49th (7.6) in 2018.

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His yards per game were 208. That's 72nd in the country. Decidedly average.

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Average. Not bad. Average. But again, yards gained passing are equal to yards gained rushing. Daniels was 33rd in total yards per game, and that's pretty damn good.

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Now, to be fair, he rushed for 885 yards and 11 touchdowns. So, technically he was worth 271 ypg and 2 TD per game. That may be good by LSU standards.

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You damn him with faint praise. 271 ypg and 2 TD per game is good by anyone's standards.

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The revisionist history on his 2022 season has got to stop. We watched the games. He didn't throw unless his receiver was wide open.

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This is not analysis. This is rhetoric. What you're really saying is that you don't want anyone to attempt to alter your SUBJECTIVE beliefs with OBJECTIVE facts.

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5 of 14 games he passed for fewer than 200 yards. That's objectively bad.

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LSU won 4 of those 5 games. The defense gave up 38 points in the loss.

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7 of 14 games he had fewer than 300 yards total. That's not great for a guy with his abilities.

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So you admit he's great, but he didn't meet your lofty expectations.

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7 of 14 games he accounted for 1 or 0 TD's. That's bad. That's really bad.

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He was 66th in passing TDs and 33rd in rushing TDs. That's very good. There was only ONE game in which Daniels did not score a TD and LSU lost.

In 2022, Daniels had freshmen tackles to protect him. And yet, LSU went to the SECCG. The offense was 28th in the nation. Daniels was LSU's leading rusher with the most yards and TDs.

So, to recap:
Total Yards per Game: Pretty damn good.
Total TDs per Game: Pretty damn good.
Interceptions. Great
Completion Percentage: Great, if not elite.
YPA: Roughly equivalent to Burrow in 2018 and Nuss in 2024.
Led LSU to the SECCG.
LSU's leading rusher in yards and TDs.
Protected by true freshmen offensive tackles.

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Total Yards per Game: Pretty damn good.

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208 is pretty damn good huh?

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Pro Tip: Read what is written and know what you're talking about before you post.

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Total TDs per Game: Pretty damn good.

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a little over 1 a game, pretty damn good huh?

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Well, at least you're consistent.

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He was a decent QB in 2022 that had a monumental jump in 2023. Why does it need to be something else?

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The whole point of this thread is point and laugh at the people who did NOT think he was a decent QB in 2022.

Very few people were prescient enough to predict Daniels' record-setting season in 2023. I was not among them. But too many people were shitting on Daniels and did NOT want him to come back for 2023.

The folks who were denigrating Daniels before the 2023 season have a bad tendency to deflect after the 2023 season by saying no one could have predicted his improvement. But that argument is merely deflection. Daniels did improve in 2023; he improved a lot. But the fact remains that those people who didn't think he was a decent QB in 2022 and didn't want him back for 2023 were wrong. They were wrong in 2022, and his huge improvement in 2023 does not make them less wrong.

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Motherfricker, you said he was very good.

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First, I said that there were PARTS of Daniels' game that were very good. I also agreed with YOU when YOU said there were parts of Daniels' game that were GREAT. The post you quote was in direct response to LNCHBOX's post when he said:

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He was a decent QB in 2022

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So, yeah, I used the same word LNCHBOX used "decent" which, of course, is a synonym for "good," the same word I used to describe Daniels' 2022 season:

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The answer is that his 2022 season was good if not very, very good.

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Daniels had a good season in 2022.

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Anything else I need to answer, motherfricker?

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Why you feel the need to keep this fight going is crazy to me. We all agree that he was incredible in 2023, but you are full of shite thanks to hindsight if you saw 2023 coming base doff 2022. He completely changed his game from 2022 to 2023.

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He told you with this:

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The whole point of this thread is point and laugh at the people who did NOT think he was a decent QB in 2022.

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And this thread has been done a hundred times. It's always bullshite.

i think we can all agree that Daniels was either hot or cold in 2022. extremely good games and extremely poor games.

where we diverge is where people swore up and down that he could not improve or get any better than he was.

people swore up and down that he could not make the leap, it just wasn't possible in their eyes and ears and they let everyone know about it

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It was what i thought it would be about 50/50. Some nailed it and others missed it by a mile.

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I remember his first season at LSU, my biggest complaint was that he wouldn’t let that ball rip. He seemed to go through his progressions all the way through, sometimes even twice, but just didn’t trust himself or his receivers enough to let it rip.
His first season at LSU I was yelling at the tv “throw the ball, throw the ball”.
So when he declared he was returning, I said “if he can gain some trust in himself and/or his receivers, and let the ball go, it could be a special year” and boy was it ever. He definitely gained that trust and started letting the ball fly.