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Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:40 am to UpToPar
It helps the d-linemen time the snap. Other than that, it doesn't seem to be accomplishing much.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:42 am to UpToPar
Yeah it was cool for like 1 quarter
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:48 am to luciouslou
quote:If you think the pre-snap movement is predacated on that 1 play 5 games from now where we catch the defense aligned incorrectly...yikes.
As the year progresses you will see this get more complex. Eventually it will catch the defense in the wrong adjustment
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:50 am to TigerJeff
About as much as a pump fake does to a defender who wasn't even looking at the QB.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:50 am to UpToPar
It's pretty
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:51 am to UpToPar
It's a good tactic to run every now and then to catch the defense sleeping. But when we do it every play it's useless.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:52 am to TigerLunatik
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It's an attempt to get the defense to show their hand and to get more LSU players on the side of the field that they intend to run the play to than the defense has. It's all about numbers and leverage and creating mismatches. Canada wants to get LSU's best players to be defended by the defense's weakest players.
It's none of that. Defenses hardly ever react to it and it's all pre-determined. We're not moving to weaknesses, we're moving because the OC decided we should move at the line.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:52 am to UpToPar
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Can somebody intelligently explain
Sure, but you won't find that here
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:55 am to UpToPar
I said this after the first game:
LSU Offense- now running around in circles before running right at you.
But some defenses like their linemen on the strong/weak side. When you flip, you cause misalignment and people on the other side to be a little less comfortable and out of position, theoretically.
And then a defensive backfield/LB have to change position to line up correctly. So, if you have a WR and TE on the R side and move them quickly and the defense doesn't know how to line up, you create a mismatch/hole and it favors the offense. If they line up like they were going to in reverse, it does not accomplish much, but it requires the LB to be on top of his game and constantly be aware of who is/isn't moving and where they are at.
LSU Offense- now running around in circles before running right at you.
But some defenses like their linemen on the strong/weak side. When you flip, you cause misalignment and people on the other side to be a little less comfortable and out of position, theoretically.
And then a defensive backfield/LB have to change position to line up correctly. So, if you have a WR and TE on the R side and move them quickly and the defense doesn't know how to line up, you create a mismatch/hole and it favors the offense. If they line up like they were going to in reverse, it does not accomplish much, but it requires the LB to be on top of his game and constantly be aware of who is/isn't moving and where they are at.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:29 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Jesus Christ. If you have no fricking clue what you are talking about, it is better to remain silent.
Idiots everywhere.
Is that you, Matt?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:33 am to UpToPar
Can tip the hand if the defense is playing a man or zone. About it. Definitely not confusing anyone.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:39 am to deuce985
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Can tip the hand if the defense is playing a man or zone. About it. Definitely not confusing anyone.
It can also tip when the ball will be snapped to the defense. When the receiver goes in his jet motion, whether it's a fake or he's getting the ball, the ball is usually snapped when the motion man gets to the guard.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:42 am to 318TigerFan
Very true which is why they had some nice timely blitzes last night. Canada is an awful OC.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:43 am to UpToPar
pre snap reads of man or zone and it makes somebody account for motion guy so he can be used then used as a decoy later. those that still do not get it just do not know football. which is plenty here.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:52 am to deuce985
I think we need to use the resetting of offensive tackles more constructively.
Let's move Arden Key to OT so he can run off some of that weight gain. Can always move him back later in the year after it comes off.
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Let's move Arden Key to OT so he can run off some of that weight gain. Can always move him back later in the year after it comes off.
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:59 am to slackster
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It's an attempt to get the defense to show their hand and to get more LSU players on the side of the field that they intend to run the play to than the defense has. It's all about numbers and leverage and creating mismatches. Canada wants to get LSU's best players to be defended by the defense's weakest players.
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It's none of that. Defenses hardly ever react to it and it's all pre-determined. We're not moving to weaknesses, we're moving because the OC decided we should move at the line
My post was almost a direct quote from Matt Canada himself.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:29 am to Fat Bastard
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pre snap reads of man or zone and it makes somebody account for motion guy so he can be used then used as a decoy later. those that still do not get it just do not know football. which is plenty here.
That's essentially what it's SUPPOSED to accomplish. A major problem is that the defenses have figured out that, no matter who or how many shift to wherever, LSU is still gonna run basic plays once the shifting and deception and pre-snap misdirection is finished. They've also noticed that the snap is coming right after the shifters get set. Defenses are shifting less and less to counter this. They know what's coming. The deception is bullsh*t. All the defense has to do is set up and play. Stuff the 5 yard handoff between the tackles, read the jet sweep setting up, and play the receivers for 2-3 seconds just to give the DL enough time to blow through LSU's OL and pressure the quarterback. Do that and keep LSU's scheming defense on the field and wear it out. Other teams have figured out the Tigers' offensive and defensive schemes. Maybe it's time for LSU to just set up and play instead of trying to confuse their opponent. It ain't working on either side and will only get much worse against SEC teams. The SEC is somewhat average this year, but LSU, at this point, ain't even that good. It's not Miles' fault or previous recruiting. O was heavily involved in that recruiting and had his staff in place before this team fell off the cliff. This is on O and his possibly over hyped and overrated coordinators, including Aranda. Canada's already fell on his face. O just hasn't figured it out yet and Alleva's still trying to find an Coonass interpreter to explain the binder.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:46 am to 318TigerFan
It's easy. Presnap motion tells you if the defense is playing zone or man against the motioner.
To me the best part about Canada's offense is the double lineman swap, followed by dragging the receiver across the formation. Overloads that one side, and I've only seen teams shift once because of it. For the runs and rollouts to the strong side it's been working well, but you can't constantly do it.
To me the best part about Canada's offense is the double lineman swap, followed by dragging the receiver across the formation. Overloads that one side, and I've only seen teams shift once because of it. For the runs and rollouts to the strong side it's been working well, but you can't constantly do it.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:56 am to tigerborderjumper
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It's not Miles' fault or previous recruiting
bull shite. miles has struggled recruiting the trenches since coach stud, chavis and haley were on board. coach O's arrival actually started getting the team restocked and it takes a while. he was more effective with the DL and w/o injuries he did a damn good job. chavis and haley did indeed leave us with a weak DL and LB corps. as far as OL goes, we are better recruiting with grimes but these guys just don't grow on trees. losing tehhuma (sp) was a huge blow as we have a true freshmen on the line instead of him. that makes a major difference.
whether we like it or not, our trenches need to be upgraded and we will not be a contender until they are. that is true no matter who the HC is. unfortunately, we need OOS guys to do this as La. just doesn't produce enough top guys every year.
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