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re: Brennan vs Johnson Part II: The Tape
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:35 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:35 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
I think 0/10 benign used against Brennan when Johnson went 5/18 and 8/18 means people aren’t looking at the context.
I haven’t said anything about Johnson & third
down. Why do you keep responding to me with this shite

Sammy do you just assume I think Johnson was better there?
And my god dude, proofread your damn posts
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:41 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, read the fricking title
If you don’t want to compare them stop fricking posting in the threat with “Brennan vs Johnson” in the title.
Why didn’t you point out Johnson’s shitty 3rd down%?
And I will NEVER proofread my posts.
If you don’t want to compare them stop fricking posting in the threat with “Brennan vs Johnson” in the title.
Why didn’t you point out Johnson’s shitty 3rd down%?
And I will NEVER proofread my posts.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:45 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
you don’t want to compare them stop fricking posting in the threat with “Brennan vs Johnson” in the title.
Nah, I’m good. Someone has to fact check you & your “context” posts
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:46 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Myles has better stats. So why would I even dip into comparing the two?
It's OK. I think Max has intangibles that make him a very good QB too.


Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:48 pm to BayouCowboy
You are pretty sensible after all
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:49 pm to Lester Earl
That’s bullshite.
You brought up 3rd down to shite on Brennan.
And you try and justify that 3rd down percentage is more important that number of pints scored, number of 3 and outs, number of first downs actually achieved, yards, how many drives ended in a punt.
It’s a stay that if you don’t look at context you won’t get the full picture.
Also, we were across the board terrible on 3rd down no matter who our QB was.
You brought up 3rd down to shite on Brennan.
And you try and justify that 3rd down percentage is more important that number of pints scored, number of 3 and outs, number of first downs actually achieved, yards, how many drives ended in a punt.
It’s a stay that if you don’t look at context you won’t get the full picture.
Also, we were across the board terrible on 3rd down no matter who our QB was.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:51 pm to SammyTiger
Context: you’re comparing 4th year Brennan numbers to true freshman Johnson numbers.
Am I doing this right?
Am I doing this right?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:52 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Context: you’re comparing 4th year Brennan numbers to true freshman Johnson numbers.
Am I doing this right?
Context: Brennan is now a 5th year player and Johnson is a True Sophmore. It doesn’t matter If Johnson WILL be better. It only matters if he IS.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:54 pm to SammyTiger
3rd down & turnover margin
Time for you to learn some football Sammy
Time for you to learn some football Sammy
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:00 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
3rd down & turnover margin
+3 in both games. We had the same number of possession in both games.
It’s literally the same turnover margin.
You talk about all these extra possession but our defense forced 1 punt outside the 4 turnovers.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:00 pm to SammyTiger
I'll dive back into this thread, and state for the record-
I don't have a favorite in the QB race, and simply hope whoever starts, is great.
In fact, I like both, and would be happy with either.
My only take on the subject (which apparently isn't directly related to the OP):
Brennan seems to have the superior physical tools, the slightly better per-game numbers, the seniority in the program, and was the starter going into last year. He absolutely did NOT play his way out of that spot, he averaged close to 400 yds a game. He got injured, and a (pair of) true freshman was forced to step in and finish the schedule.
He's now back, and apparently healthy.
And as I understand it, due to covid in 2020, his competition (Johnson and Finley), will get COMPLETE full eligibility, meaning they enter this season as TRUE FRESHMEN. Meaning, in theory, they could take a redshirt this year, and still have 4 full years of eligibility starting in 2022.
So, why are you NOT naming Brennan the starter already? Johnson would have a huge advantage as 'redshirt freshmen' with 2 full years of experience, including several starts in 2020, vs a kid straight out of high school. He's going to start in 2022. You just have to ask him to be patient.
Are we truly at the point where asking a freshman to sit behind a 400 ypg senior 1 year, is going to make him transfer?
Or, is there something significant Johnson is bringing to the table, to where there's a legit reason to pick him instead?
I don't have a favorite in the QB race, and simply hope whoever starts, is great.
In fact, I like both, and would be happy with either.
My only take on the subject (which apparently isn't directly related to the OP):
Brennan seems to have the superior physical tools, the slightly better per-game numbers, the seniority in the program, and was the starter going into last year. He absolutely did NOT play his way out of that spot, he averaged close to 400 yds a game. He got injured, and a (pair of) true freshman was forced to step in and finish the schedule.
He's now back, and apparently healthy.
And as I understand it, due to covid in 2020, his competition (Johnson and Finley), will get COMPLETE full eligibility, meaning they enter this season as TRUE FRESHMEN. Meaning, in theory, they could take a redshirt this year, and still have 4 full years of eligibility starting in 2022.
So, why are you NOT naming Brennan the starter already? Johnson would have a huge advantage as 'redshirt freshmen' with 2 full years of experience, including several starts in 2020, vs a kid straight out of high school. He's going to start in 2022. You just have to ask him to be patient.
Are we truly at the point where asking a freshman to sit behind a 400 ypg senior 1 year, is going to make him transfer?
Or, is there something significant Johnson is bringing to the table, to where there's a legit reason to pick him instead?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:09 pm to SammyTiger
Good, maybe you see why 3rd down is important now
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:23 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
I just Don’t love the argument that Johnson didn’t have weapons when fricking Boutte was going the frick off.
Boutte he 300 yards against Ole Miss. it’s not like Johnson was desperate for second targets.
Who said johnson didn't have targets?
Brennan could come off marshall and throw directly to gilbert. Gilbert bailed out myles a few times.
Also, that opens up everyone else. Jenkins had more open space to operate since marshall had more coverage
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:31 pm to Scoob
quote:
Or, is there something significant Johnson is bringing to the table,
Of course. Max expands the play book for Peetz by making the RPO a viable play that is respected by LBs. You really believe LBs respect the R part of RPO when Myles is under center? Of course they don't. They just sit back covering the pass knowing full well that even if Myles pulls it down and decides to run, at worse he makes a couple of yards and more likely getting tackled behind the LOS. On the other hand Max is a real but not great running threat. But enough of a threat that LBs have to respect him.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:34 pm to GumboPot
quote:
You really believe LBs respect the R part of RPO when Myles is under center?
wait for it...
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:37 pm to ATLTiger
The point is Peetz is not calling RPOs when Myles is under center. That simplifies the game for defenses and becomes problematic against teams with the same or better talent. Little Nickie would LOVE to play us with Myles under center.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:38 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Max expands the play book for Peetz by making the RPO a viable play that is respected by LBs. You really believe LBs respect the R part of RPO when Myles is under center? Of course they don't.
How do people not understand this yet? The R in RPO does not have to be the QB run. An RPO is a run play (usually with the running back) with a pass option if the defense does one specific thing to open up the pass. The defense does anything else besides that one thing the QB hands the ball off.
In 2018 Burrow did plenty of designed runs but In 2019 Burrow very seldomly kept the ball on RPO’s or designed runs at all. I know he did it more times but the only one I can remember is against Bama because they set up all year that he would not run out of it and that’s exactly why it worked.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:38 pm to Scoob
quote:because coaches are under extreme pressure to win, and they'll start the guy who gives the team the best chance of winning NOW.
So, why are you NOT naming Brennan the starter already?
Coaches don't make these decisions based on who might transfer or saving a year of eligibility to be used 4 years from now.
Play to win NOW. The rest will sort itself out.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:39 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Of course. Max expands the play book for Peetz by making the RPO a viable play that is respected by LBs.
Don’t even start that shite.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:43 pm to geauxtigers33
quote:
How do people not understand this yet? The R in RPO does not have to be the QB run. An RPO is a run play (usually with the running back) with a pass option if the defense does one specific thing to open up the pass. The defense does anything else besides that one thing the QB hands the ball off.
Maybe they should call it the RRPO then because run is still an option if the QB decides to pull it and a viable option because when LB see the ball pulled they have a tendency to expect pass and fall back.
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