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re: Blaming the coaches versus trashing the players: which is worse?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:10 pm to Prominentwon
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:10 pm to Prominentwon
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Nope, they're all to blame.
Coaches for the design/calls
Players for the lack of execution.
Funny how the weight of that blame always seems to bounce off Leslie "The Teflon" Miles and fall on the players when it comes to all you SUPER fans.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:11 pm to lsu mike
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Unknown, since you are so wrong about this lets throw some cold hard stats out there 76th total offense, 3-13 3rd down conversions, 9 total first downs, 219 yards of offense, 120 yards passing. But everything is great no problems. Oh yeah cant forget 1-4 in last bowl games.
Is this real life?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:11 pm to lsu mike
The coaches coached the OL to let the DL sack Mett 7 times.
Note: I'm not taking up for coaching. Just so no one comes back and says that I'm loving Miles and he can do no wrong. My argument is that players are responsible for what is called out on the field. Players that do not execute what they are coached/taught are just as responsible as the coaches calling the plays.
Note: I'm not taking up for coaching. Just so no one comes back and says that I'm loving Miles and he can do no wrong. My argument is that players are responsible for what is called out on the field. Players that do not execute what they are coached/taught are just as responsible as the coaches calling the plays.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:11 pm to theunknownknight
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Funny how the weight of that blame always seems to bounce Leslie "The Teflon" Miles and fall on the players when it comes to all you SUPER fans.
Your obvious reasoning for this thread was just to make some stupid "gotcha" point.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:11 pm to Prominentwon
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Also, Shep still wasn't good enough to get touches. I don't care if it hurts your feelings or not.
He picked the wrong school to go to and he didn't fit in the offense.
he has done fine running the ball while at LSU. he's certainly good enough to get touches
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:12 pm to theunknownknight
chicken bowl
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:12 pm to BeeFense5
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Your obvious reasoning for this thread was just to make some obvious logical point.
FIFY
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:13 pm to BeeFense5
I'm going to teach my kid to never steal candy from the store.
If it happens later in life, it's my fault and the kid gets no blame.
If it happens later in life, it's my fault and the kid gets no blame.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he has done fine running the ball while at LSU. he's certainly good enough to get touches
He should have stayed in the back field. Either running or catching passes out of the back field. Trying to make him a receiver just didnt work.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
almost 7 yards a pop on 77 carries (which was entirely QB draws with no handoff fakes, end arounds, or HB draws from the shotgun) just couldnt help our offense at all. Glad we eliminated that the last two years to try and focus on him catching 12 yard hitches with his baby hands.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he has done fine running the ball while at LSU. he's certainly good enough to get touches
Les would rather throw out routes to the fullback instead
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he has done fine running the ball while at LSU. he's certainly good enough to get touches
Well. we'll all agree to disagree. I'll remember him more for 2-5 yard runs and being easy to take down than I will for any sort of play making ability.
He had one touch against Towson for 78 yards. Probably not wise to not give it to him again, but that 1 run for 78 yards is going to make his ypc go up significantly.
Again, he should have and would have fit in better at a school running a spread option. Not a pro-style offense.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:16 pm to Prominentwon
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Players for the lack of execution.
Coaches obviously are not doing a good enough job of getting them too excecute.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:17 pm to Prominentwon
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Well. we'll all agree to disagree. I'll remember him more for 2-5 yard runs and being easy to take down than I will for any sort of play making ability.
well, then he must not have gained 7 yards a carry if you don't remember him for it
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:17 pm to Prominentwon
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I'm going to teach my kid to never steal candy from the store.
If it happens later in life, it's my fault and the kid gets no blame.
Are you going to teach him, then walk in the store with him, send him into the candy aisle, and stand next to him with your arms crossed shouting "DON'T GRAB THE CANDY!"
Cuz, if not...your response does not follow.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:18 pm to lsu mike
It's the coaches, ultimately. If the problem is with the execution then why aren't they coaching these players to execute plays properly? If the players can't execute the plays properly then why are they playing? If we don't have any players that can execute the plays properly then why are our coaches recruiting players who can't play?
LSU isn't some fricking MAC school that takes what they can get. We get tons of 4 and 5 star talent. There are teams with way less talent that execute much better than LSU on offense. So our coaches are either recruiting the wrong players for their scheme, which is on them, or they are failing to coach them on proper execution, which is on them, or the scheme is broken by design, which is on them.
No matter how you swing it this is all on them. This isn't the NFL where a coach is at the mercy of a GM and a budget to get the players he wants. These guys have top-to-bottom control of a top 10 football program in the nation with a free run of Louisiana recruits. If they can't put a good offense together out of that those raw materials then they are a fricking failure, because all of these 4 and 5 stars aren't just suddenly forgetting how to play football upon setting foot on the LSU campus.
LSU isn't some fricking MAC school that takes what they can get. We get tons of 4 and 5 star talent. There are teams with way less talent that execute much better than LSU on offense. So our coaches are either recruiting the wrong players for their scheme, which is on them, or they are failing to coach them on proper execution, which is on them, or the scheme is broken by design, which is on them.
No matter how you swing it this is all on them. This isn't the NFL where a coach is at the mercy of a GM and a budget to get the players he wants. These guys have top-to-bottom control of a top 10 football program in the nation with a free run of Louisiana recruits. If they can't put a good offense together out of that those raw materials then they are a fricking failure, because all of these 4 and 5 stars aren't just suddenly forgetting how to play football upon setting foot on the LSU campus.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:19 pm to Topwater Trout
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Coaches obviously are not doing a good enough job of getting them too excecute.
There are other players on the line executing fine. Does that mean the coaches aren't doing enough?
If the player shows in practice that he's capable of playing the position and goes and shits the bed in the game, the coaches didn't show him enough? They just forgot about him?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:20 pm to Prominentwon
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Again, he should have and would have fit in better at a school running a spread option. Not a pro-style offense.
i don't think he had the arm for it. he's a RB or DB all the way. he showed he could run the ball over his entire career
45/277 (6.2 ypc, 69 longest)
32/226 (7.1 ypc, 50 longest)
7/52 (7.4 ypc, 18 longest)
20/161 (8.1 ypc, 78 longest)
even if you take the 78 yarder out that's still over 4 ypc this year, but look at his first 2 years. that's an explosive runner
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I'll remember him more for 2-5 yard runs and being easy to take down than I will for any sort of play making ability.
why don't we forget hill/hilliard/blue's 2-5 yard runs, too?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:21 pm to theunknownknight
This question depends on the situation. Miles has been given time to prove he knows offense, and we keep getting weaker and weaker on offense.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:22 pm to Prominentwon
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There are other players on the line executing fine. Does that mean the coaches aren't doing enough?
If the player shows in practice that he's capable of playing the position and goes and shits the bed in the game, the coaches didn't show him enough? They just forgot about him?
well there is the coaching angle and recruiting angle. miles hasn't exactly stocked up on great OLs while at LSU
2011 is the exception, but that's not common under miles' tenure post-2007
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