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re: Blaming the coaches versus trashing the players: which is worse?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:24 pm to Prominentwon
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:24 pm to Prominentwon
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There are other players on the line executing fine. Does that mean the coaches aren't doing enough?
Uh......yeah
If you see a player CONSISTENTLY underperforming, then as the COACH you address it. :JordanJefferson-JarrettLee:
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:24 pm
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:24 pm to theunknownknight
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Oh I see. Blaming the players 100% is objective analysis.
Faulting the coaching is just...opinion.
No, pointing out mistakes made on plays is an observable fact. Pointing out key decisions that are made by coaches is observable, as well, and worthy of debate, but, for the most part, are still opinion, although some poor decisions are obvious...i.e. 54 yard FG try vs. punting.
Bashing players or coaches about what goes on in practice, during off-time, in the weight room, etc. is bull-shite. We all have opinions, I don't choose to share mine because I don't have much of a basis for validating them. Also bashing players or coaches because of their race, the fact that you just don't like them, what they tweet, etc. is BS as well.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:25 pm to theunknownknight
Blaming the players is worse unless it's JJ then it's ok.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:26 pm to Prominentwon
Further if a player is CONSISTENTLY underperforming and there are no other options then we should probably just blame the recruiters and not the coaches....
oh wait...
oh wait...
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:27 pm to theunknownknight
Trashing players
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why don't we forget hill/hilliard/blue's 2-5 yard runs, too?
Those guys are between the tackle runners. Of course they're going to get those numbers quite a bit. Especially vs. 9 in the box most of the time.
With Shep, I expected more big plays out of him. He had them here and there, but the plays that were designed for him were plays to gain mid-level yardage. If he didn't have his own zip code to get through, he was down immediately. I'd like to know his YAC average would be.
Agree to disagree.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:29 pm to Prominentwon
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Kid won't make it in the NFL. He's too small. I'm not sure why all you guys keep praising the kid. I'm sure he's a GREAT guy off the field. He's done some good things at LSU, I'm sure.
IDIOT!
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:31 pm to theunknownknight
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Further if a player is CONSISTENTLY underperforming and there are no other options then we should probably just blame the recruiters and not the coaches....
Ah, there's your loophole back to the coaches.
I was waiting on it.
Every single player ever will never frick up and is perfect and should never be called out for sucking at what he does.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:33 pm to Golfpreaux
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IDIOT!
Other than being fast, could you let me know his Pros and Cons heading into the NFL draft and what LB won't kill him on an end around?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think shep's attitude is what ended up having him in the dog house. He says the right things to the media....but he has an elite player's attitude, but a mediocre talent. I don't think he really wanted to accept a niche role. I think he's soft as well, his twitter diva meltdowns point to that.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:36 pm to Prominentwon
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There are other players on the line executing fine. Does that mean the coaches aren't doing enough?
If the player shows in practice that he's capable of playing the position and goes and shits the bed in the game, the coaches didn't show him enough? They just forgot about him?
Why is he staying in the game if he can't execute? Why don't we have anyone on the team that can play the position anywhere close to well enough to execute? This goes for every position:
People complain that Mett can't run the plays that are called; Why is he our starting quarterback? Why don't we have a single quarterback on the team that can run the very basic offense that Les puts together?
People complain that the Oline can't block; Why did we recruit a bunch of dudes who can't block? Why aren't we taking them out of the game and putting in someone who can get the job done? If it's a technique problem then why aren't we fixing their technique through coaching? Why aren't the coaches providing help through chipping tight ends or backs, double teams, screens, or runs that target the DE that is getting free to force him to stay home? Why do we have such shitty players for a top program?
Our WRs can't run routes and aren't big enough? Who recruited them? Are they all simply unteachable, or are they not being taught to run proper routes? Why did we recruit a bunch of short receivers if they won't work with our scheme?
WHO THE frick IS IN CHARGE? Answer that question and you'll know who is to blame.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:40 pm to nf
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Why is he staying in the game if he can't execute? Why don't we have anyone on the team that can play the position anywhere close to well enough to execute? This goes for every position:
People complain that Mett can't run the plays that are called; Why is he our starting quarterback? Why don't we have a single quarterback on the team that can run the very basic offense that Les puts together?
People complain that the Oline can't block; Why did we recruit a bunch of dudes who can't block? Why aren't we taking them out of the game and putting in someone who can get the job done? If it's a technique problem then why aren't we fixing their technique through coaching? Why aren't the coaches providing help through chipping tight ends or backs, double teams, screens, or runs that target the DE that is getting free to force him to stay home? Why do we have such shitty players for a top program?
Our WRs can't run routes and aren't big enough? Who recruited them? Are they all simply unteachable, or are they not being taught to run proper routes? Why did we recruit a bunch of short receivers if they won't work with our scheme?
WHO THE frick IS IN CHARGE? Answer that question and you'll know who is to blame.
I agree with all that. All of you are acting like I'm saying that the coaching requires no blame. Absolutely the deserve blame as far as preparation and scheme. I'm not arguing at all.
My argument is that players deserve the criticism as well for not pulling their part. They're apart of pulling their weight as well. If they suck, they deserve to be called out on it.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:42 pm to nf
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Answer that question and you'll know who is to blame.
why must we assign "blame"?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:42 pm to Prominentwon
Shep isn't a fit for a Les Miles offense. We will never know if he could have been better in a more wide open type offense that uses a multi purpose back. Some things don't fit in an LSU offense and these high school kids need to know this. Multi purpose smaller backs, pass catching tight ends, and receivers who want to put up big numbers aren't a fit at LSU.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:44 pm to peopleschamp
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Shep isn't a fit for a Les Miles offense. We will never know if he could have been better in a more wide open type offense that uses a multi purpose back. Some things don't fit in an LSU offense and these high school kids need to know this. Multi purpose smaller backs, pass catching tight ends, and receivers who want to put up big numbers aren't a fit at LSU.
There's another guy in the other Shep thread blaming Miles for Shep's decision to go to LSU. no shite.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:47 pm to Prominentwon
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Every single player ever will never frick up and is perfect and should never be called out for sucking at what he does.
Everyone makes mistakes and in a vacuum, players should be held accountable for when they do make serious errors. When players make the same mistakes repeatedly it shifts from the micro to the macro and is indicative of more higher-order shortcomings, especially when these problems are predictable and repeatable and occur with multiple players over a long period of time.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:48 pm to BilJ
oh i don't disagree i'm not defending shep but too many people act like it was impossible to use him on offense
that's just silly
that's just silly
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:49 pm to peopleschamp
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Shep isn't a fit for a Les Miles offense. We will never know if he could have been better in a more wide open type offense
people forget that's what kind of offense miles was trying to run when we recruited shep
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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oh i don't disagree i'm not defending shep but too many people act like it was impossible to use him on offense
It wasn't impossible. Not sure if that was directed at me....but he had bright spots. I'm not saying he didn't. I just think he was mediocre, didn't fit and wasn't as good as most people made him out to be because of his Rivals ranking.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:51 pm to Prominentwon
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Not sure if that was directed at me
no lots of people are saying it
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didn't fit
you find ways to make a 6-7 ypc big play RB fit
creativity is not miles' strong suit, though
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