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re: Basketball Defensive Scheme
Posted on 2/15/24 at 2:35 pm to mcspufftiger7
Posted on 2/15/24 at 2:35 pm to mcspufftiger7
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tigahlova needs to be changde to wadenutlova. Wade inherited a shite show?LOL. With Antonio Blackely,Duop Reath, Brandon Sampson,Skyler Mays, (future NBA players)Aaron Epps and NO investigation. NO possible sanctions.. You are a special kind of stupid if you think that is the same as what Mcmahon came into. You people are so blind with hatred for Woodward you can't even see how stupid you sound.
I totally agree with this response which obliterates any argument that Wade inherited a similar situation in 2017 to McMahon in 2022. One correction Antonio Blakeney did not play for Wade as he declared for the draft at the end of the 2017 season.
It should also be noted that the biggest reason Wade had some success in his first season is that he kind of lucked into Tremont Waters. Waters had signed with Georgetown but decided to transfer when the Georgetown coach was terminated. Credit to Wade as he had apparently built a relationship with Waters while at VCU, However, LSU would likely have had a losing season without Waters.
Wade had 4 future NBA players on that first team and Aaron Epps who was invited to an NBA tryout camp. Contrast that to McMahon who inherited an empty roster then was able to get Juice Williams, Adam Miler and Mwani Wilkinson to reconsider and remain at LSU. Unfortunately Miller never regained his pre-injury form and Wilkinson missed most of the season with a shoulder injury. McMahon had to hastily pull a team together through the portal. The only possible NBA player was K J Willliams. There were a few players who would be good complementary players on a solid roster such as Cam Hayes, Derek Fountain and Trey Hannibal, but nothing like the talent Wade inherited.
For all practical purposes this season is McMahon's true first year and he has a reasonable chance to finish with a similar record to Wade's first season when he ended 19-15 and 8-10 in the SEC for ninth place.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 2:44 pm
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Posted on 2/15/24 at 3:08 pm to tigersbb
And that is what the current team is made up of. Role players. There is no "the guy". It is up to mcmahon to get that guy(s). Maybe Ward or Reed become that guy. Maybe it's one of the commitments for next year. Maybe Cook elevates his game. But the constant "mcmahon suck arse" BS is so old. A friend who has a big booster as a client said that Baker was dealing with RSV for a month but played through the illness and it is why he is looking better on the offensive side last few games. We'll see where they end up .
Posted on 2/15/24 at 3:12 pm to cmacatl13
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Nobody in there right minds would or can play/sustain zone defenses vs bama, aubbie, Tenn, Fla when they shoot the ball from 3 as well as they do
Well LSU couldn't sustain sticking man in any of those games either. When I say zone, I'm not talking some middle school 2-3 where everybody is inside the 3 point arc. You can mix it up and ramp up or down the pressure as is needed through the course of a game. Also can extend or pack it in to combat the particular strength of the opposing team. Some of these hybrid matchup zones play very similar to man, but are better at providing help to defenders getting beat off the perimeter because the guys off ball are already in a position to help
Posted on 2/15/24 at 3:18 pm to The Shaqtus
It's just kind of upsetting that we have a 7 footer but no inside defensive presence. 
Posted on 2/15/24 at 3:27 pm to The Shaqtus
Shaqtus:
All acceptable criticisms. I wish he would have gone to 1-3-1 earlier in the Fl game. Remains to be seen whether Mcmahon can develop into a great coach but he deserves the opportunity to do it with better talent which he should have next year. If Mwani had been healthy all year I think he would have been the lockdown guard we needed. All of the other guards are beat off the dribble to easily. Ward and Cook especially. But the bigs are slow to rotate off the high screens especially Baker. Reed is the big disappointment and it looks like effort to me with him. Plays too lackadaisical and relies on his natural athletic ability to recover from lazy defense. He should be thriving under the boards and avg a double/double but wants to play outside too much and too much finesse going to the rim. Needs to go hard at the rim and get the fouls.
All acceptable criticisms. I wish he would have gone to 1-3-1 earlier in the Fl game. Remains to be seen whether Mcmahon can develop into a great coach but he deserves the opportunity to do it with better talent which he should have next year. If Mwani had been healthy all year I think he would have been the lockdown guard we needed. All of the other guards are beat off the dribble to easily. Ward and Cook especially. But the bigs are slow to rotate off the high screens especially Baker. Reed is the big disappointment and it looks like effort to me with him. Plays too lackadaisical and relies on his natural athletic ability to recover from lazy defense. He should be thriving under the boards and avg a double/double but wants to play outside too much and too much finesse going to the rim. Needs to go hard at the rim and get the fouls.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:10 pm to mcspufftiger7
Antonio Blakeney didn’t play for Wade and Sampson was injured in the first few games. Duop Reath and Skylar Mays would’ve never sniffed the NBA had Wade not been the coach here to develop them. You people are so ignorant it’s unbelievable. Never seen so many self proclaimed LSU basketball “fans” not know a single thing about LSU basketball.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:15 pm to Madking
Uh. Never said Wade couldn’t coach. Again the lack of reading comprehension skills on here is staggering.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:19 pm to Madking
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Skylar Mays would’ve never sniffed the NBA
I might be outing myself as a moron here. But I never thought he would until he did.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:36 pm to Zander Kelley
Baker has length. And a decent bball iq. He’ll get dominated by more athletic bigs. Duh. He’s a good reason why we should play zone in spots but he’s also a reason we can’t play zone consistently. We’re not a good rebounding team, and playing zone leads to giving up more boards than we already do.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:47 pm to mcspufftiger7
Nobody said you did.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:02 pm to mcspufftiger7
Antonio Blakeny never played for Wade, but let's not let those tedious facts get in the way of your "argument". Also Mays, Sampson and Reath weren't exactly setting the world on fire until
Wade took over and developed them. I remember Skylar driving the lane constantly and missing or getting blocked with Jones as HC. It makes you wonder if Skylar wouldn't be administering a pap smear to you right about now instead of playing in the NBA if Wade didn't take over. We also lost SEVENTEEN STRAIGHT the year before Wade, so your right, he didn't make much of an impact taking over after leaving VCU.
Nonetheless, you have me convinced. Wade did indeed inherit the 1984 Boston Celtics roster, and McMahon DID NOT have a transfer portal around to replenish the roster quickly like ya know, someone who knew what the fLuck he was doing would.
So when can we expect Wade or better results out of McMahon??? Next year??? The next??? 2040?????
Wade took over and developed them. I remember Skylar driving the lane constantly and missing or getting blocked with Jones as HC. It makes you wonder if Skylar wouldn't be administering a pap smear to you right about now instead of playing in the NBA if Wade didn't take over. We also lost SEVENTEEN STRAIGHT the year before Wade, so your right, he didn't make much of an impact taking over after leaving VCU.
Nonetheless, you have me convinced. Wade did indeed inherit the 1984 Boston Celtics roster, and McMahon DID NOT have a transfer portal around to replenish the roster quickly like ya know, someone who knew what the fLuck he was doing would.
So when can we expect Wade or better results out of McMahon??? Next year??? The next??? 2040?????
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:16 pm to mcspufftiger7
quote:good god. McMahon's in his 23rd year as a college basketball coach, and in his 9th year as a D-1 head coach.
McMahon is a young coach and hopefully able to learn from mistakes.
The "young coach" excuse doesn't fly. Not even close.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:20 pm to tigahlovah
Tigalova
Again you literally have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever. I never said Wade wasn’t a good coach. I said he inherited talent. Which he did. McMahon had ZERO players and the cloud of sanctions. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? So it IS apples and oranges. I don’t care if it takes McMahon 3-4 years to get back to being a tournament contender. If he doesn’t then they will replace him. Simple as that. They improved from last year to this year and I expect improvement from this year to next year. Take a Midol and relax.
Again you literally have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever. I never said Wade wasn’t a good coach. I said he inherited talent. Which he did. McMahon had ZERO players and the cloud of sanctions. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? So it IS apples and oranges. I don’t care if it takes McMahon 3-4 years to get back to being a tournament contender. If he doesn’t then they will replace him. Simple as that. They improved from last year to this year and I expect improvement from this year to next year. Take a Midol and relax.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:22 pm to Madking
I bet you got beat up as a kid 
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:54 pm to Zander Kelley
We don’t need to know your childhood. Not everybody was a weakling like you.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:53 pm to tigersbb
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It should also be noted that the biggest reason Wade had some success in his first season is that he kind of lucked into Tremont Waters. Waters had signed with Georgetown but decided to transfer when the Georgetown coach was terminated. Credit to Wade as he had apparently built a relationship with Waters while at VCU, However, LSU would likely have had a losing season without Waters.
He lucked into landing an elite player from Connecticut? How is that luck? What’s lucky, is having 4th and 5th years players from the state of Louisiana that want to return to LSU. What would this season look like if CMM didn’t “luck” into Jordan Wright or Jalen Cook?
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:02 pm to tigahlovah
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Antonio Blakeny never played for Wade, but let's not let those tedious facts get in the way of your "argument". Also Mays, Sampson and Reath weren't exactly setting the world on fire until Wade took over and developed them. I remember Skylar driving the lane constantly and missing or getting blocked with Jones as HC. It makes you wonder if Skylar wouldn't be administering a pap smear to you right about now instead of playing in the NBA if Wade didn't take over. We also lost SEVENTEEN STRAIGHT the year before Wade, so your right, he didn't make much of an impact taking over after leaving VCU.
Developing, recruiting and scouting isn’t part of the HC’s job, according to some on the board. You either luck into a good team or give it another try next year. It’s not like you can just help the players you have improve their game or anything.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:04 pm to The Shaqtus
You are absolutely correct. I do believe we could and should mix it up more. We just don’t have the talent on either ends of the floor. Yet. It’s quite evident that Coach put an emphasis on length which has helped. McMahon’s teams, while flawed and extremely lacking in talent show an understanding of very simple defensive principles. Weak side and help defense being paramount. It’s refreshing to see because our previous regime certainly didn’t. I remember listening to Tari talk being asked why the defense in the private 5th year seems to show some improvements. Tari said he actually had to teach his staff on help defense.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:32 pm to Madking
You obviously have never met Skyler. You could have been his coach and he would’ve still made it to the league. His work ethic and desire are what make him.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:35 pm to mcspufftiger7
Did you or did you not so eloquently and correctly point out that Blakeny played for Wade after you claimed I wasn't paying attention to what Wade inherited versus this joke of a coach we have now. Did I comprehend that correctly???? How did I do on comprehending you claiming McMahon is a young coach, when he's 4 years older than Wade, who has won a lot more at LSU than McMahon could dream of????
I don't understand how you are an LSU fan and are so eager to put up with this mediocrity to which there appears to be no end in sight. When we just got rid of a guy UNNECESSARILY (the NCAA is being held together with tweezers and duct tape. The schools with balls tell them to go eat a bag of dicks), who would've had us in the tournament 90% of the time and for sure would have had a few deep runs mixed in. To each his own I guess.
A few of you idiots claim that Wade "stained the rep of LSU". Do people really believe that LSU football for decades hasn't illegally paid players, including the magical 2019 roster????
Do people really believe that Vadal Alexander and/or his family was funneled money, and he was the only one??????????
Fournette didn't cash in on the illegal benefits?????????
Of course he did, and so did DOZENS of other tigers on that team, and HUNDREDS of tigers throughout the years.
WAKE THE FLUCK UP. If you aren't cheating in recruiting, you have ZERO CHANCE to compete at a high level. ZERO EXCEPTIONS.
That may not be polite. That may be wrong. But it's motherflucking reality.
I don't understand how you are an LSU fan and are so eager to put up with this mediocrity to which there appears to be no end in sight. When we just got rid of a guy UNNECESSARILY (the NCAA is being held together with tweezers and duct tape. The schools with balls tell them to go eat a bag of dicks), who would've had us in the tournament 90% of the time and for sure would have had a few deep runs mixed in. To each his own I guess.
A few of you idiots claim that Wade "stained the rep of LSU". Do people really believe that LSU football for decades hasn't illegally paid players, including the magical 2019 roster????
Do people really believe that Vadal Alexander and/or his family was funneled money, and he was the only one??????????
Fournette didn't cash in on the illegal benefits?????????
Of course he did, and so did DOZENS of other tigers on that team, and HUNDREDS of tigers throughout the years.
WAKE THE FLUCK UP. If you aren't cheating in recruiting, you have ZERO CHANCE to compete at a high level. ZERO EXCEPTIONS.
That may not be polite. That may be wrong. But it's motherflucking reality.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 7:39 pm
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