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re: Baseball problem - CPM...
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:14 am to BigEdLSU
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:14 am to BigEdLSU
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What made his arm sore?
Throwing a baseball made his arm sore. It’s as simple as that. He may be a multi sport athlete but let’s break this down.
He played his highschool season last spring. He played summer ball. And he’s been throwing and working on his craft since he arrived to LSU in August. He didn’t get that break this year that his arm is used to during football season.
So we’re handling him with kid gloves in an attempt to avoid a fate similar to Eric Walker.
Most freshmen get tired and sore around now. LSU is trying to learn from past mistakes and give him a chance to rest.
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:14 am to BigEdLSU
Surely Tom Emanski is available on a contract basis.
I agree that having two paid assistants is a hindrance, but it isn't likely to change soon. Baseball is already a money loser at nearly every school. I can;t see a majority of coaches and ADs green-lighting this when it will only benefit a few schools that can afford a third.
Surely we could find a way to make Cain (or his replacement when he gets hired away) a graduate assistant who is the chief recruiter. Use the LSU baseball camp revenue as a part of his income (like Skip did with others in the past) and- this is a harder part to propose given the past week- find some boosters who will supplement his salary under the table... free rent, prepaid Visas... whatever.
Or do the opposite with a legitimate hitting coach, though I think a former player will be more amenable to an informal under the table type agreement.
I agree that having two paid assistants is a hindrance, but it isn't likely to change soon. Baseball is already a money loser at nearly every school. I can;t see a majority of coaches and ADs green-lighting this when it will only benefit a few schools that can afford a third.
Surely we could find a way to make Cain (or his replacement when he gets hired away) a graduate assistant who is the chief recruiter. Use the LSU baseball camp revenue as a part of his income (like Skip did with others in the past) and- this is a harder part to propose given the past week- find some boosters who will supplement his salary under the table... free rent, prepaid Visas... whatever.
Or do the opposite with a legitimate hitting coach, though I think a former player will be more amenable to an informal under the table type agreement.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:15 am to CottonWasKing
I agree with your last sentence 100%, how is it disagreeable to say they have torn arms up before and now have an abundance of caution from their own mistakes of the past?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:16 am to SM6
Cain just hauled in the #1 recruiting class in the nation. You can’t demote him now. I want a legit hitting coach too but I just don’t see how to make it work unless Cain moves on to a head coaching gig somewhere. I’d also hate to lose Cain though
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:19 am to BigEdLSU
quote:Does that mean you believe his arm is "destroyed" which is the word you used earlier to describe Hill?
Absolutely yes, his arm is unusable because of lsu management.
quote:Why do you repeatedly keep asking questions that you should already know the answer to about the players if you actually follow the baseball team?
He hasn't pitched in how long?
Hill has pitched 5 innings in each of two games which he started throwing 71 pitches in his first start and 85 pitches in his second start. After the second game he woke up with a sore arm.
quote:Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Jesus, Buddha, Akal Purakh, Pazand, Vishnu Sahasranama...take your pick.
Who made his arm sore?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:21 am to BigEdLSU
quote:
how is it disagreeable to say they have torn arms up before and now have an abundance of caution from their own mistakes of the past?
Because they were making the same mistake that everyone else was making and most are still making.
And honestly we don’t even know if it was a mistake. Or if this new approach will work.
The brightest minds in Sports Medicine have been trying to figure out what causes arms to blow out for decades now and we still don’t know.
We don’t know how a guy like Lange who throws with velocity was able to regularly go 100+ pitches every week without injury while someone like Eric Walker who throws mid 80s and only goes 70-80 pitches per start blows his arm.
No one knows. Every staff in the country at every level in the country is throwing shite at the wall. Absolutely no one knows definitively how to prevent an arm from blowing.
So I’m not going to blame Paul and Dunn when James Andrews throws his hands up and says “frick if I know” to the same question.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:25 am to BigEdLSU
quote:I've answered that question: Everyone else.
What am I racist against? White people?
quote:So what?
I'm white.
quote:Thanks for proving my point....
you called me a racist in the thread I made then deleted about the old people at the pmac refusing to cheer for basketball but riding off a cliff for baseball. What is the obvious difference in the athletes?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:31 am to SM6
quote:It's not as much of a hindrance at LSU as it is at some other programs.
I agree that having two paid assistants is a hindrance
ALL of LSU's assistant coaches are paid with the exception of the under-graduate assistant (Jared Foster this season).
While the NCAA currently only allows 3 baseball coaches to be paid by the university, the "volunteer" baseball coaches are paid by TAF and from their work in the LSU baseball camps. They don't work for free.
quote:NCAA rules only allow the 3 paid-by-the-university coaches to recruit off campus. It sucks but those are the rules.
Surely we could find a way to make Cain (or his replacement when he gets hired away) a graduate assistant who is the chief recruiter.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:39 am to Got Heeem
quote:
Y'all trust Joe Alleva to hire a new baseball coach???
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:43 am to sportjunkie69
quote:Which is a sign of continued relevance and overall success. College baseball, by the rules of recruiting and scholarships and what have you, has changed. Tiger fans do not get this, and it is now engrained that we either win every single year, OR we are useless.
And about the same number of missed opportunities.
Continued relevance, and getting to Omaha are difficult in this day and age, yet LSU manages to maintain this high level. We'll get another one, and perhaps more.
We could be Tulane who built a hell of a program, then crashed after Katrina and have never recovered once Rick Jones left. LSU is still the program that everyone else is compared to, that means something to almost everyone in college baseball except Rantards, it seems.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:49 am to LSURussian
Proving your point? What's your point? The old white generation that did not allow black athletes at lsu or at school with their kids doesnt cheer for the current black athletes?
So I'm a racist for pointing out the obvious? Why dont you go run to the admins again line you did last time? They'll ban me if you keep it up. I average like 5 posts a day. I'll be alright either way.
So I'm a racist for pointing out the obvious? Why dont you go run to the admins again line you did last time? They'll ban me if you keep it up. I average like 5 posts a day. I'll be alright either way.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:50 am to BigEdLSU
quote:
What made his arm sore? It ain't overuse before being on campus... multi sport stud
Reread this out loud.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:58 am to Adam4848
quote:
Reread this out loud.
I mean he has a certain point there. Multi-sport athletes have been shown to have a lower risk of UCL tears. That has nothing to do with Hill though.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:07 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:People who did that would have to be in their late 80's/early 90's now. Do the math.
The old white generation that did not allow black athletes at lsu or at school with their kids doesnt cheer for the current black athletes?
Besides, those same people at the PMAC go to LSU football games and they are cheering their asses off for LSU "current black athletes" in Tiger Stadium. Every time you bring up the PMAC vs. baseball crowd you just reveal your deep, ignorant racism even more. And prove my point even more.
quote:I don't know what you're referring to. I haven't "run to the admins" about you. I don't need them in order to embarrass you. I'm doing just fine all by myself....
Why dont you go run to the admins again line you did last time?
But that tells me you must have pissed off more posters than just me with your ignorant and racist posts.
quote:
They'll ban me if you keep it up.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:13 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:Because they're taking months off from throwing a baseball.
Multi-sport athletes have been shown to have a lower risk of UCL tears.
It's odd. Throwing a football puts almost no strain on the UCL. And if this tear happened to a regular person, they simply would just avoid throwing and tennis. No need for surgery.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:14 pm to JakeRStephenes
Their are so many similarities between CPM and CLS it isn’t even funny.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:15 pm to ell_13
ell, did you blame your college coaches when you had to have TJ surgery?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:17 pm to ell_13
quote:
Because they're taking months off from throwing a baseball.
Exactly.
Ell have you read The Arm by Jeff Passan? I think you in particular would enjoy it but I think every baseball fan should give it a read. Interesting as hell
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:18 pm to LSURussian
quote:Hell no.
did you blame your college coaches when you had to have TJ surgery?
My college coach wasn't Mike Fox.Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:19 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:Negative. But I'll give it a look.
Ell have you read The Arm by Jeff Passan?
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