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At what point does Jason Kelly realize you can’t get outs only throwing fastballs?
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:34 am
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:34 am
Don’t tell me the offspeed stuff isn’t that good. We had an entire Fall and now two months of Spring baseball to figure it out. Even if it’s not a plus pitch, you have to attempt to change speeds. Floyd throwing nothing but fastballs last night is inexcusable. Maybe he hangs a breaking ball and the batter just misses it and hits a sky high fly ball to left field. Everyone knows we got away with it, but at least the best hitter has a thought in his mind that he just might see an off speed pitch.
Worst of all, it’s not just one pitcher he does this with. Reyzleman threw 26 straight fastballs the other day against A&M and we barely escaped a sweep when he got a bases loaded 3-2 called third strike.
After Floyd pitched against Maine Coach Johnson was asked about the lack of offspeed pitches. His response was “we are going to do what it takes to win the game today”. Someone needs to ask Jay if that lack of development against the bad teams like Maine is now costing us games against average teams like A&M and La Tech.
Worst of all, it’s not just one pitcher he does this with. Reyzleman threw 26 straight fastballs the other day against A&M and we barely escaped a sweep when he got a bases loaded 3-2 called third strike.
After Floyd pitched against Maine Coach Johnson was asked about the lack of offspeed pitches. His response was “we are going to do what it takes to win the game today”. Someone needs to ask Jay if that lack of development against the bad teams like Maine is now costing us games against average teams like A&M and La Tech.
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:36 am to Choupique19
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Someone needs to ask Jay
First coaches show Monday should be lit. Get yo popcorn
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:41 am to Choupique19
Two parts of this for me:
Floyd’s body language was pitiful. The opposite of confidence
When Doug Thompson has to repeat,”…well, you know what pitch is coming…”. You have a problem. Good SEC teams are going to crush a predictable pitch.
Floyd’s body language was pitiful. The opposite of confidence
When Doug Thompson has to repeat,”…well, you know what pitch is coming…”. You have a problem. Good SEC teams are going to crush a predictable pitch.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:42 am to Choupique19
Last year when Floyd occasionally threw an off speed it was so bad the catcher typically had to leave his stance to catch it. He is one guy who is absolutely incapable of throwing an off speed. How could someone be that bad at something at this level? I have no clue. Other pitchers not throwing off speed doesn’t make sense tho. Just about every guy on the team has been able to throw at least one off speed at some point until now. I think he’s trying to oversimplify things.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:43 am to Choupique19
None of our only fastball pitchers will start anymore . You gonna kick them off the team? Up until the a and m start , teams were hitting .150 ish off of Floyd which was the best on the team and 5 th in the sec. His era was great as well. He struggled to find the strike zone tonight and had a bad weekend against Aggie.
That’s why jj said he was gonna make changes to our starting pitching. Floyd will end up a midweek starter at best and a bullpen guy at worst.
Reyzelman has been great going into last night. He was the guy who got us in position to win on Sunday
Neither guy will be starting on the weekend so it’s not like the coaches don’t see it. They are good bullpen guys though . They will only be asked to get about 6 outs from now on
That’s why jj said he was gonna make changes to our starting pitching. Floyd will end up a midweek starter at best and a bullpen guy at worst.
Reyzelman has been great going into last night. He was the guy who got us in position to win on Sunday
Neither guy will be starting on the weekend so it’s not like the coaches don’t see it. They are good bullpen guys though . They will only be asked to get about 6 outs from now on
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:45 am to Screaming Viking
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Floyd’s body language was pitiful. The opposite of confidence
I will never question bringing in Riley Cooper again. At least he competes and forces the other team to get hits.
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 8:46 am
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:49 am to Screaming Viking
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Floyd’s body language was pitiful. The opposite of confidence
His body language has always been pitiful. That's just the way he is.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:51 am to Choupique19
Yep, cooper is a pitch to contact guy who has at least 3 different pitches. Problem is he needs the defense behind him to make plays
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:52 am to Choupique19
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We had an entire Fall and now two months of Spring baseball to figure it out.
That's not long enough to develop a pitch.
I don't understand how these guys arrive on campus with one pitch.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:55 am to Adam4848
The bigger question I haven't seen anyone ask is why does Jason Kelly have this job in the first place. There's really nothing in his past that suggests he's a top end D1 PC. There's no reason to assume anything will get better under him. Look at his history, talk to his former players. If we're waiting for some pitching metamorphosis where he's gonna take a project and turn him into a dude, I don't think it's coming.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:56 am to josh336
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Problem is he needs the defense behind him to make plays
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:57 am to Screaming Viking
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Floyd’s body language was pitiful. The opposite of confidence
I've been going on about his body language since last year, and finally someone else says it. He always looks that way. And it doesn't like "stoic" like some players, it just looks like someone who doesn't want to be out there. People can downvote that all they want, but it's painfully obvious that he lacks confidence, and the results speak for themselves. I hope that changes for him.
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When Doug Thompson has to repeat,”…well, you know what pitch is coming…”. You have a problem. Good SEC teams are going to crush a predictable pitch.
Yeah, we all know what's coming. Whether it's Gervase, Reyzelman, or Floyd, you have no reason to look for an offspeed pitch.
Blake Money throws his off speed pitches rather sparingly, even though he has a pretty good slider. Hilliard still throws his curve, but they tried to implement two new pitches with him, and it seems to have been counter productive. He is at his best when that curve is on. When it's on, he doesn't need anything else except the occasional "keep 'em honest" fastball. It's that good. If it's off, he's going to have a rough outing. That's all there is to it. By trying to make him something that he's not, he has regressed. Just let him be who he is out there, and that will give him a chance to be successful.
I'm just not impressed with what Kelly has done. And I'm real tired of the threads about how our pitchers suck and have no talent. That just isn't true, at all. It's funny, because they bash us for criticizing the coaches, but they insult the players to make themselves feel better about the coaches.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 8:58 am to Screaming Viking
quote:Probably a reaction to trying to be a weekend guy and pitching on a Tuesday and having a coach that doesnt signal anything but 1's. I would be a little dejected too.
Floyd’s body language was pitiful. The opposite of confidence
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:01 am to Clarence1980
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It is very difficult to do worse than Alan Dunn, but Slim Smoke accomplished that with his pitching hire.
I'm not ready to dump Jason Kelly yet. It takes time to develop pitchers. If they are even able to developed, which I'm not sure about some of these guys.
It's clear Dunn didn't do jack the last couple of years with development. Whether that was because he gave up, or because these guys had no ability to develop, I don't know.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:03 am to LSUFanHouston
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That's not long enough to develop a pitch.
I don't understand how these guys arrive on campus with one pitch.
They have more than one pitch. But they won't learn to throw their other pitches more effectively, if they never use it. And that's the problem. We had guys like Floyd on the mound with 15 run leads, early in the season, and they STILL didn't work on it.
I was sitting there, confused out of my mind as they threw 50 consecutive fastballs, and then the guys on tv and radio started saying how weird it was that they wouldn't take the opportunity to work on anything. Everyone knows that no matter how good or bad your off speed pitches are, you have to throw them enough to keep the hitters kind of guessing. Our coaches don't seem to believe in that so much.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:41 am to Metaloctopus
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I was sitting there, confused out of my mind as they threw 50 consecutive fastballs, and then the guys on tv and radio started saying how weird it was that they wouldn't take the opportunity to work on anything. Everyone knows that no matter how good or bad your off speed pitches are, you have to throw them enough to keep the hitters kind of guessing. Our coaches don't seem to believe in that so much.
Are you still confused? Throwing 50 straight fastballs didn’t help Floyd last night. He couldn’t throw strikes.
Maybe he should throw 100 straight fastballs next time. Rez too.
If you can’t throw strikes you can’t pitch.
I want to know why can’t our pitching coach get front line talent to throw strikes?
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:41 am to Choupique19
Even harder to get outs when you can’t field the ball
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:53 am to doubleb
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I want to know why can’t our pitching coach get front line talent to throw strikes?
I’ll support Kelly here. Where is the “front line pitching talent”?
Reyz transferred in and has pitched well for the most part. Fontenot would not still be in college if he had MLB talent. The coaching staff hasn’t had a chance to recruit their guys.
Paul Mainieri and Nolan Cain left a completely depleted pitching staff.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:58 am to doubleb
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Are you still confused? Throwing 50 straight fastballs didn’t help Floyd last night. He couldn’t throw strikes.
Maybe he should throw 100 straight fastballs next time. Rez too.
If you can’t throw strikes you can’t pitch.
Of course I'm still confused by it. You just can't expect to get through a half decent lineup with one pitch. I'm not sure if you read my comment right.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:44 am to Choupique19
Yeah I'm starting to think this is where a lot of the blame lies. Reyzelman used to be a starter. I watched a video of him throwing in what looks like a BP at San Francisco. The mph is listed and you can clearly see he's throwing off speed pitches at time. Some of which are filthy. Obviously those weren't SEC hitters but you can't tell me mixing that in from time to time wouldn't help keep them off balance. It's not like he just forgot how to throw them.
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