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re: Are these basketball additions really gonna make a difference?

Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:39 pm to
Posted by Circle K Beggar
Somewhere in the lower 48
Member since Feb 2011
7414 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:39 pm to
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The idea is that LSU was doing the minimal amount in NIL the past few years


Funny how I only heard that in February and in the thick of an absolutely dismal conference record. Coordinated damage control, much?

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I think you will see a lot of programs come back to Earth a bit as the super seniors aren't around as much.


You’re forgetting that most programs (everyone else in the SEC) has a better coach than we do. Heck, Calipari came in and took a somewhat patchwork Arkansas team to the Sweet 16. While Kentucky fans had their reservations about Mark Pope, he made it to the Sweet 16 and they have reloaded for this upcoming season.

McMahon has developed no one since being here. I know Givens gets clowned by this board but it would not surprise me at all to see him get developed well by a respectable program that knows how to make players better.

The constant excuses blaming everything expect the glaringly obvious common denominator is tiresome.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8267 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:06 pm to
McMahon is incapable of teaching:

Boxing out on Rebounds
Movement on offense including off ball screens
Free throw shooting
Taking care of the basketball

His teams absolutely suck at all of the above and have in every season
Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
1999 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:06 pm to
Bringing in players with the types of skills everyone has been clamoring for, then bitching because they're from smaller programs or conferences, or international players. These are the exact type of players we see balling out at Auburn (Broome, Sears) , Or Tn (Knecht, Vescovi), UF (Clayton). Yet y'all are willing to count out the LSU transfers from the get go.

This site use to be such a pleasure to read and get into meaningful discussions. But you miserable prigs just bring everything down for no reason other than it's not your lord Wade doing the leading and its just damn depressing. As I said, it may or may not work. I'm just willing and anxious to see.

That's the rub.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66564 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:11 pm to
McMahon is 14-40 in the SEC and sub .500 overall. Thats the worst record for a coach at LSU in over 50 years. The people you’re attacking live in reality, they don’t ask you to believe their delusion like you’re doing. As far as your description of the talent, it’s just as make believe as your assertion about the fans.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45023 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:28 pm to
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This site use to be such a pleasure to read and get into meaningful discussions.


Later Brady, TJ and CJJ were such wonderful meaningful discussions between the dozens of us that still cared.

No one ever has been given this leash to lose as CoachMc. Maybe Curley in football, but that’s not a good standard.

Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37055 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:15 pm to
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Funny how I only heard that in February
That is only you.
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You’re forgetting that most programs (everyone else in the SEC) has a better coach than we do. Heck, Calipari came in and took a somewhat patchwork Arkansas team to the Sweet 16. While Kentucky fans had their reservations about Mark Pope, he made it to the Sweet 16 and they have reloaded for this upcoming season.
Calipari isnt a great coach. Pope seems pretty good.
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McMahon has developed no one since being here.
Every player outside of Mike Williams improved.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
Somewhere in the lower 48
Member since Feb 2011
7414 posts
Posted on 5/1/25 at 11:26 pm to
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Calipari isnt a great coach


I never said he was a great coach. Just that he’s better than what we have (who isn’t?)

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Every player outside of Mike Williams improved.


Wait a second. If that’s true, then why did Vyc Miller and Chest practically quiet quit last season? Why did the McMen say that Chest was no big loss and “had no offensive skills”? Did Givens improve? This board tells me otherwise.

As for Mike Williams, there were games last season where it seemed like he would be the only one to make shots. Yet inexplicably our genius coach would barely play him.

Yes or no: if McMahon misses the NCAA tournament this season, should he be fired?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37055 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 12:07 am to
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I never said he was a great coach. Just that he’s better than what we have (who isn’t?)
You didn't. You claimed that Calipari pulled a "patchwork Arkansas crew" when he pulled in his Kentucky blue chip recruits with a huge NIL budget.
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Every player outside of Mike Williams improve
d.


Wait a second. If that’s true, then why did Vyc Miller and Chest practically quiet quit last season?

VMiller and Chest were both 1st year players. I said that players improved under McMahon. Can you read?
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
12751 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 2:02 am to
What I’m wondering is where are all these All American power conference transfers that LSU should be getting? Because I haven’t noticed much of any of those caliber players in the transfer portal. It’s hard to get them if they aren’t there lol
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17761 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:53 am to
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I think it's relevant to the discussion that the class in many ways currently mirrors the 2022 signing class which featured a slew of new transfers (ranked 11th in the country) a solid HS class (ranked 17th) to add to a small number of returning players.


I think this is fair. The Advocate basketball writer is not really a reporter, he's not going to ask tough questions of anyone or do many interesting feature pieces or things you typically see from beat writers, but he does know basketball and really has done a good breakdown of the transfers we've gotten and left me a more meh than hell yeah with the group.

As anyone who participates in our very small but passionate group of LSU men's basketball fans knows - the biggest issue for me in CMM's 3 years has been the lack of team toughness, it affects everything else we do IMHO. Outside the addition of the guy from State - I don't think much else was done to improve or affect that. The point guard from Vegas is good offensively but slight and according to reports a liability defensively.

Most of the other signee's bios similarly read good at X - but .......

Hopefully, Reed and Miller can take significant steps, but neither of them are really mix it up guys once you get to SEC level competition at least, I still think physicality and toughness are going to be a concern.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45023 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:17 am to
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VMiller and Chest were both 1st year players. I said that players improved under McMahon. Can you read?
I see the McKnights are back in force.

“Give CoachMc time to bring in his players and develop them.”

- all his players transfer out.

“Every program loses every player to the portal.”

- so teams are built year to year with new squads? How does that mesh with year zero / whole new team nonsense?

“It doesn’t. As McKnights we are bound by oath to change the narrative, move the goalposts, find all McExcuses that are necessary to deflect from the obvious truth of 14-40 SEC in 3 seasons. Losses are actually wins.”

- so you guys are delusional idiots?

“That is correct.”
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37055 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:21 am to
Wow. Way to take what I said completely out of context. Your boyfriend Circle K claimed that McMahon has never developed any player, so i merely pointed out how every player outside of Mike Williams improved from years to year.

Perhaps you would like to counter that instead of some made up narrative?
Posted by NussBusDriver
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2024
153 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:41 am to
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First basketball thread????


True. We have the best baseball coach in the nation and our fans pile on him like he's Coach O so what should we expect from our fans when it comes to a coach with a losing SEC record.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34150 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:47 am to
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Yet y'all are willing to count out the LSU transfers from the get go.

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It's not necessarily counting out the players. It's counting out the coach. This class of transfers doesn't look all that different from prior classes. Mid-major guys with potential and a track record of success at a lower level sprinkled in with a largely non-descript major conf. player or two.

Have we seen mid-major players come into the SEC and be stars? Absolutely....but not under McMahon. That, in fact, is "the rub" and why few are optimistic things will be different.

In February once the season went to shite and AD put out the message of LSU "low NIL" funding as the justification for retaining McMahon....in spite of another dismal season the focus changed to the offseason. LSU was finally going to spend with the big boys. Well...this class doesn't really reflect that. In fact, when the rankings shake out they are going to mirror the 2022 signing class (both in quantity and quality). That was McMahon's worst season in a career to bad seasons.

McMahon will, again, get his chance to prove all of the doubters wrong this season. Just like the prior three rosters there is a path to success.
But it's not illogical for fans who have seen this story before to not try to convince themselves this class is McMahon's Phi Slamma Jamma and happy times are here.

When you have a sub .500 overall winning % and a .250 winning % in the conference (both 3 year lows) you don't get the benefit of the doubt.


Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45023 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 12:23 pm to
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Your boyfriend Circle K


Nice one. When does elementary school let out?
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Perhaps you would like to counter that instead of some made up narrative?
Everything you ever say is some made up bullshite to defend CoachMc at all costs. He's a terrific recruiter, developer of talent, and Xs and Os genius. 40 SEC losses in 3 years is a mirage.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45023 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 12:28 pm to
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We have the best baseball coach in the nation and our fans pile on him like he's Coach O so what should we expect from our fans when it comes to a coach with a losing SEC record.
Blind unwavering support and excuses. If any other coach had a 14 and 40 SEC record under his belt, dudes would be out with pitchforks.

Instead he gets a free pass and is constantly defended by the mcgraffs and manpussy47s of the world. It's delusion run amok.
Posted by NussBusDriver
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2024
153 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 12:34 pm to
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Blind unwavering support and excuses. If any other coach had a 14 and 40 SEC record under his belt, dudes would be out with pitchforks.


I don't see anybody giving him a pass. I have only seen posters say that they like certain transfers that are coming in. I haven't read a positive post about him actually.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36468 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 12:35 pm to
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so i merely pointed out how every player outside of Mike Williams improved from years to year.



This would mean a lot more if we had good retention but we don’t so it doesn’t
This post was edited on 5/2/25 at 12:41 pm
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5363 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 12:41 pm to
I've been a defender of CMM before but I've also said I would have no problem if he was fired. I just think the entire basketball program needs a revamp. From how we handle the portal and NIL to coaching. Just burn it all down and start over. LSU came out and said NIL would get a big boost but we've only brought in one really good player from the portal. The rest aren't proven at all.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34150 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 1:09 pm to
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LSU came out and said NIL would get a big boost but we've only brought in one really good player from the portal.


I think you are seeing what many said back in February. The NIL narrative was messaging put out to provide justification for the decision to bring McMahon back for a 4th year despite the poor results and apathy in the program. The timing of the sudden blitz in reporting it (after the season had gone poorly and just ahead of LSU playing the other worst team in the SEC) along with the original source of the news, a guy whose primary focus is football recruiting, who just so happens to be married to a woman who works in the athletic dept, raised suspicion to anyone willing to conduct critical thinking. The fact that the messaging was swallowed without a hint of skepticism by so many is probably a testament to just how low the level of interest and expectations are in the program.

The players LSU has currently signed in the portal aren't necessarily "bad". But, like you noted, it isn't reflective a significant increase relative to prior signing classes.

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