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re: Anyone else really like the dual QB system for us?

Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:14 pm to
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
709 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:14 pm to
Sean Payton thinks it could work and made it work for the Saints. I think LSU should as well. Both QBs have their strengths that can improve the team.
Posted by FlyFishinTiger
Fayetteville,AR
Member since Mar 2021
933 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:32 pm to
Jefferson and Lee was basically a two qb system. Got us the best regular season ever at the time and into the national title game 2011. I dont know why we didn't play Nuss against Arkansas this year when Daniels was found frozen in the pocket. Ark had one of the worse pass defenses in the country and we let em get away with rushing 3 and dropping 8 most of the game with a spy on Daniels. I don't care if Nuss threw a pick or two. I think he would ripped em up through the air. And the sun was out and it wasn't that cold after game started.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
17682 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:56 pm to
Old ball coach did it w success.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:00 pm to
I don’t like it and it’s hardly ever been successful. It requires the rest of the offensive team to become familiar with two different guys and two different ways of doing things.

In two years Nuss has completed about 55% of his passes for seven touchdowns and six interceptions. He hasn’t proven in the game situation that he’s capable of being the man or capable of guiding LSU to big-time wins.

Why anyone would feel that he suddenly is deserving of equal time in a game as the guy who just led us to a victory over Bama , a 10 win season,and the west title is beyond me, but each to our own

This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 10:06 pm
Posted by Chipeace
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
435 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 6:49 am to
I don’t have a problem with it
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
8773 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:07 am to
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We could run some never before seen type offenses with both quarterbacks in the Huddle every play.


This...
Posted by kobsa
Tampa, FL
Member since Dec 2021
178 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:10 am to
Do I like? Very much so...Hope it continues into the 2023 season.
Posted by iBack8569
Member since Dec 2021
1545 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:17 am to
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In two years Nuss has completed about 55% of his passes for seven touchdowns and six interceptions. He hasn’t proven in the game situation that he’s capable of being the man or capable of guiding LSU to big-time wins.


Did you miss the last two games where Nuss came off the bench and quite literally threw Daniels under the bus? The dude adds a whole other element to the offense that you don't get with Daniels, and is required to be elite, a vertical threat passing game. Everyone gives him crap for that jet sweep that counts as a pass, but that play doesn't work if Daniels is the QB in the game. Nuss also actually developed quite a bit in the last 14 games unlike JD, who's is exactly the same as he was during the spring.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 9:20 am
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19139 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:34 am to
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Anyone else really like the dual QB system for us?
hate it.

The only reason it looked good against Purdue is because Purdue was awful and missing a ton of their team.

An offense needs one leader that the team can unite behind. Two QB systems don't work.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 3:19 pm to
Look, I have nothing against Nuss and I hope that he only has success when he’s in the game.

Having said that, those two games you mentioned were nothing but mop up duty and says nothing about his ability to be the man at QB. Now, it’s better that he had some success rather than being a failure, but he’s got to be able to do that when it really matters for the team to be successful.

If you think J D’s play didn’t improve from Florida State to Bama, then I don’t know what LSU football you watched this year.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10298 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:15 pm to
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unless Daniels can develop a consistent deep ball
Unless he lost something, I don't think he has to develop a deep throw seeing as he completed 37 +25yd passes in 50 less attempts in 2019, which would have been good enough for about 15th FBS this year.
He likely has the ability and my guess is he hasn't developed trust in WRs and values possession more.

Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
27713 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 6:56 pm to
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Unless he lost something, I don't think he has to develop a deep throw seeing as he completed 37 +25yd passes in 50 less attempts in 2019, which would have been good enough for about 15th FBS this year. He likely has the ability and my guess is he hasn't developed trust in WRs and values possession more.


Have you looked at his deep balls? He throws some Jeff Blake-esque moonshots. That type of throw means he has to let it fly even sooner, which he tends to struggle with. He had a deep shot to Thomas in the end zone vs Purdue that he had to coke back to and bat down because it was late.

With more arm strength and a more traditional deep ball trajectory, Daniels would be able to let go of the ball when he’s comfortable doing so and still get it to the WR on time.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:00 pm to
I don't think JD is ever going to develop a deep throw game. He could develop to hit one every game to keep the defense respecting it but that's about it. I don't think he'll ever do it consistently.

Where he can greatly improve is intermediate throws though which is all he really needs to do. Improve accuracy, presnap reads, defense reads, intermediate throws, deep throws, touch, confidence.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 7:01 pm
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:13 pm to
I’d usually be against this, but it’s such different offensive dynamics with each. I don’t hate the idea of starting out the season with it and seeing what happens. If it doesn’t work, just go with the one that’s been better.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10298 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:17 pm to
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He had a deep shot to Thomas in the end zone vs Purdue
I saw sure TD that Thomas pulled up on and got tangled up with DB then pass sailed over his head.
If he had just ran the route sure glory.
I guess we all see what we want or maybe a different play.
Posted by NorthLouisianaLSUFan
North Louisiana
Member since May 2016
87 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:20 pm to
I like the idea, especially putting both out there at the same time. Teams would never know what’s about to come at them!
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2297 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:43 pm to
Using both this year will help build a dynasty because there will be so much less of a transition at the top.
Posted by iBack8569
Member since Dec 2021
1545 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:05 pm to
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Having said that, those two games you mentioned were nothing but mop up duty and says nothing about his ability to be the man at QB.

He was up against both teams’ starting secondaries. Hardly “mop up duty.” And it’s hard to be the man of Kelly only wants him in when the game is borderline out of reach. LSUs defense couldn’t slow UGa down for their life, but the offense with JD couldn’t keep up because of his ultra-conservative play style. Nuss comes in and has half of JDs yardage and a TD with just 3 passes. I mean…damn.

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If you think J D’s play didn’t improve from Florida State to Bama, then I don’t know what LSU football you watched this year.


He looked the same every week. The main difference was every once in a while he threw a wobbly deep shot that receivers had to stop for. He hung a receiver out to dry more often than not because he is absolutely atrocious at anticipating routes, despite working with them all spring and summer.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21778 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:11 pm to
Last time I remember LSU doing it was with Hodson and Mickey Guidry, and it worked well then. Different dynamic; Hodson was the starter but a redshirt freshman, he'd sit a couple series in each half and watch Guidry, get coached up, and see what the defense was doing.

If you go Daniels/Nuss, it's more of a grooming situation: Daniels is the starter, a senior, and Nuss will be the young guy standing on the sideline watching, seeing what's open with Daniels etc. And to be accurate, he won't be watching Daniels, as much as he'd watch the defense vs the receivers, etc.
There would be some drawbacks- Daniels is going to earn a defensive spy, and that won't be there for Nuss. But he could still see if the corners are playing off or cheating up, see if they're tipping off the blitz etc.

I do think it's a fair idea; it's not that you don't trust Daniels, you want to slip Nuss in a few series because he's likely the starter in 24 (and 25 unless he absolutely blows up). If we can forget about players leaving early, it's an ideal program move. And you start working Howard into the games in 24, etc.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 1/5/23 at 11:22 pm to
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I remember Florida winning a national championship doing it with Tebow and Leak. I think Leak was his name...


That wasn’t a two qb system. It was more like what Saints do with Taysom Hill.

Y’all hate Daniels so much now y’all want to go against the entire history of the sport to do something that has never worked just to get Nuss on the field.
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