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re: Anyone else heard Herbstreit on the OSU Nebraska telecast talking about zone defense
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:01 am to nicholastiger
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:01 am to nicholastiger
unless a team is athletically superior at every position, tactics must come into play.
We need to be multiple and unpredictable. When and how we blitz, when we play man or zone, when we show man pre-snap but drop into zone, etc.
Keep our opponents guessing and confused. This ain't rocket science.
We need to be multiple and unpredictable. When and how we blitz, when we play man or zone, when we show man pre-snap but drop into zone, etc.
Keep our opponents guessing and confused. This ain't rocket science.
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:16 am to atltiger6487
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Keep our opponents guessing and confused. This ain't rocket science.
Its not super easy either
Also almost all modern offenses are designed to try and force defense to show their hand pre-snap.
Its hard to hide man with really wide WR splits and motions.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:18 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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The only way to best bama is to pressure tua and get him uncomfortable and very little time to make reads and progressions.
You can’t expect to pressure him consistently because he throws so quickly.
We will attempt to pressure him but the game plan can’t hinge on sacking him every possession.
Aranda has been using the first part of the year to teach people things they can only learn in games and get them comfortable with what he thinks will be needed against Bama and in the playoffs if we get there.
Coaches always do this I’m sure, but it’s more apparent this year because it seems pretty obvious that we are allowing more points and yards than we would if Aranda simply played man against these inferior opponents.
If true, this is a very refreshing thing. In years past under both Miles and Orgeron it felt like we were just doing whatever it took to win, even against the rent-a-wins and not making effective use of the game time. Eg not letting backup QBs run the real offense late in blowouts.
If Orgeron is stomaching these growing pains, looking vulnerable against NW St and Vandy at times when we don’t have to, thats good news in my book.
And yes I’m rationalizing our defensive struggles, but I might be right.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:28 am to honeybadger07
quote:For the record, I agree completely. Kind of tired of that ongoing 'mindset'.
I feel like every year since he has been here the on going narrative is.....well this is only part of his defense, next year he will implement the rest when he has the off season to coach them up and the personnel he needs.
On the flip side, I love the idea of ever-evolving and ever-improving. However, if it causes this many breakdowns (as it is now) it is an issue.
I definitely prefer the 'mindset' of 'best utilization of what we have' instead of the, apparently, unobtainable goal of perfect defense. We're seeing Aranda's personality here; he is a perfectionist and thinker.
This might be a time where Orgeron's so-called 'meddling' is required. He might need to 'meddle' to reign in Aranda's perfectionist tendencies to stop letting perfect from getting in the way of good.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:06 pm to I20goon
well said!
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:43 pm to SlidellCajun
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It works against bama
Works very very well vs the gumps
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:50 pm to jp4lsu
Any QB has trouble with pressure? The key is to get the ball out quick and that’s what they have been doing this year
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:53 pm to TexasTiger24
Ole miss ran both and had a hard time with it. I know they have less talent but doesn’t matter what we run it will still be a handful
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:02 pm to GeauxPack81
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agree. I think that's part of our struggles on defense. I think Coach O is trying to replicate what Clemson did last year in the national championship game. Who cares if you give up 400 yards between the 20s if you hold them where it matters and score 40+ yourself
yep, just cant stand it when other ranters on the scoreboard are going after ARanda saying the D sucks... they are just missing tackles right now and are learning this zone Defense with LB's that arent the best of leaders because they are young... I think we get better on Defense as the year goes and I still (and will prob always) have faith in Aranda... He didnt just become stupid... the guy is sharp as hell and I hope he stays at LSU for a very long time...
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:05 pm to I20goon
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For the record, I agree completely. Kind of tired of that ongoing 'mindset'.
On the flip side, I love the idea of ever-evolving and ever-improving. However, if it causes this many breakdowns (as it is now) it is an issue.
I definitely prefer the 'mindset' of 'best utilization of what we have' instead of the, apparently, unobtainable goal of perfect defense. We're seeing Aranda's personality here; he is a perfectionist and thinker.
This might be a time where Orgeron's so-called 'meddling' is required. He might need to 'meddle' to reign in Aranda's perfectionist tendencies to stop letting perfect from getting in the way of good.
I dont disagree with really any of this but, you also have to practice these things (zone/Zone Blitzing) in a game in order to get good at them for when we do play the big hauses... Id let Dave be Dave and keep my arse with the DL chewin arse...
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:53 pm to TchPowDog
I was going to post this, against NWST, they played some zone and combos and they played poor assignment football. Rushing 4 wasn't getting pressure, plus they were getting the ball out fast. I would love to see them be able to pressure Tua but I also think disguising coverages and confusing him will be paramount.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 4:36 pm to nicholastiger
I think that the biggest dropoff for our defense this year was not Devin White's physical play, but the fact that he basically had a mind-meld with Aranda and could get everyone properly lined up on every play and make sure that they understood their responsibilities. "Coach on the field" may be a cliché, but there's no doubt it was true last year.
Just like a good QB makes an offensive coordinator look smarter, a Devin White can make a defensive coordinator look smarter.
Just like a good QB makes an offensive coordinator look smarter, a Devin White can make a defensive coordinator look smarter.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
Agree, nothing against the lb'ers now but they don't have that "it factor" right now like Devin did. I do believe they can be special if they get their gap containment responsibilities in check.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:42 pm to SlidellCajun
This
Worked pretty good for the Saints Sun. night.
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You have to disguise and execute.
Worked pretty good for the Saints Sun. night.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:43 pm to I20goon
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IF Aranda thinks he has the personnel to do it, he will continue to try and implement his zone concepts and do his best to coach them up.
Everyone has the personnel to play zone. It’s what you play when you don’t have the personnel to play man. You’re right, though, mixing it is the key. Constant confusion for the QB. And when they play zone it has to be six or seven different zones, so Tua never knows. Lastly, the zones have to be rolling at times. By that, I mean the guy covering the middle short zone has to come from the left/right at times. The guy covering the short sideline zone has to roll up from the deep zone at times.
The problem with all of this is that Bama knows these schemes and they have a WR screen game that defeats it. But you need to force them into the paper-rocks-scissors guessing game. Force them into a bad guess 2/3s of the time, and limit the damage the other third by tackling well. That makes it hard to sustain a drive. Hopefully we catch them in screen calls when we’re in man, and our superior athletes drop those fuggers in the backfield.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:14 pm to Penrod
I agree about the rolling zone but they looked like shite trying some of that against NWST, hopefully Aranda gets them lined out on their assignments and to communicate better.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:19 pm to nicholastiger
The LBers, nickel/dime and safeties need a certain minimum amount of cerebral nature and discipline to play it.
Moving Fulton to nickel safety may help, but enough?
Moving Fulton to nickel safety may help, but enough?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:56 pm to atltiger6487
I would run man and cover 1 but not blitz my backers every play. I would let them give phony reads and sprint back to curl or flat zones while stunting my line on the inside gaps. I would mix in some zero blitzes and tell my dbs to not let the WR inside no matter what.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:04 am to ImayGoLesMiles
The refs will allow bama to hold and tackle our guys so he will have time
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:07 am to nicholastiger
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. The only way to slow Bama will be to mix and match zone with man to man. If LSU plays man only, Bama is going to torch them
the same exact thing can be said of playing zone against Tua. Tua is ultra talented and extremely well coached. The only way to affect Bama's passing game is to make him uncomfortable. No team in cfb has the secondary to shut out those wrs straight up.
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