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re: Anybody notice Clemson's OL performance
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:46 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:46 am to SammyTiger
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Of course they do. And I’m saying they are better in every way on offense. But it’s faster to upgrade coaches than just hope we can upgrade talent to a point we’re we can bully Alabama around.
Absolutely they are better. I think it's fair to give E another year. New QB, RB, and all young WRs and OL. Offense was better than most expected but still wasn't good. No excuse this year at all. Veteran QB. Mix of seasoned RB and young studs. Stud WRs with experience and pretty much everybody back on the OL. Gotta get it done this year. There are no excuses on that side of the ball not to be explosive.
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:50 am to GetmorewithLes
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Anybody notice Clemson's OL and DL's performance?
FIFY
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:54 am to GetmorewithLes
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Zero sacks and 17+ ypc... I would say Bama did not put any pressure on him.
I don’t base my statement off of stats only. I saw pressure and I saw the Clemson qb take some hits , but what I also saw was the Clemson qb complete balls while taking those hits and the receivers running wild after making the catches. I also saw the qb getting the ball out of his hands fast when bama blitzed. Even on an incompletion he didn’t take the sack.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:54 am to redfishfan
Hey man, don't mess with the narrative of the madden wizards.
In their world, Clemson's oline not having injuries, having experience, and giving the qb time to throw means nothing without the oc they think runs the "scheme" that's what they use on madden.
Show respect, after all, they are the greatest football minds around.
In their world, Clemson's oline not having injuries, having experience, and giving the qb time to throw means nothing without the oc they think runs the "scheme" that's what they use on madden.
Show respect, after all, they are the greatest football minds around.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:55 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Seriously? It’s only been the number one or two topic in this board for the last 9 hours. Yes seniority and continuity really helps. Do you know what also helps? Having a scheme that keeps the defense guessing and allows you to play to your strengths
this is such a negative dig on our coaching staff. scheme is helpful and can be used to hide some defects to a degree, but you have to have talent, experience and continuity. PLUS Lord Saban was extremely foolish not to blitz.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:55 am to redfishfan
O think we’ll be better next year. The question is, Is the ceiling on E high enough?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:55 am to HeadSlash
I did not see Clemson's DL put up 44 (or 37 if you take the pick 6 out). They played well too but TL had all night to throw
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:55 am to GetmorewithLes
It really can't be stated enough. The key is giving your QB time, and your QB executing
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:04 am to Cs
Have you considered that those Clemson linemen were rated by 247 several years ago, and those ratings may no longer be accurate?
Cervenka was 16 when they declared him a 3-star; he is 21 now.
Falcinelli was 17 when they declared him a 3-star; he is 23 now.
You're using old information to attempt to reach a certain conclusion that you want: that is, talent isn't that important but scheme is. Yet you ignore that Clemson failed to score a single TD or break 200 total yards with the same HC, OC, and scheme just one year ago.
Cervenka was 16 when they declared him a 3-star; he is 21 now.
Falcinelli was 17 when they declared him a 3-star; he is 23 now.
You're using old information to attempt to reach a certain conclusion that you want: that is, talent isn't that important but scheme is. Yet you ignore that Clemson failed to score a single TD or break 200 total yards with the same HC, OC, and scheme just one year ago.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:07 am to GetmorewithLes
You mean an O line that actually drives their legs and moves bodies out of the way? You mean an O line that blocks left and right creating sealed running lanes instead of trying to block straight up clogging up running lanes and allowing D linemen to slide of the block and still make the tackle at the line of scrimmage? You mean an O line that doesn't get blown over or blown back right from the snap? Surely, you mean an O line with feet quick enough to stay with the defender giving the QB time to read and throw? Yah, I did notice that.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:12 am to RidiculousHype
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Have you considered that those Clemson linemen were rated by 247 several years ago, and those ratings may no longer be accurate?
I mean, that's the entire point of recruiting services. To measure and assign a numerical value representing raw talent and potential. The assumption being that highly ranked players have more innate ability and will thus develop into higher caliber players.
Is it perfect? Obviously not. Plenty of 5 stars don't pan out. Plenty of 3 stars develop into fine players.
The point is that LSU has, on paper, recruited better than Clemson over the years. Yet Clemson is getting far more out of their players.
Development and execution has been a chronic problem at LSU, particularly on offense. None of that is changing under Ensminger.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:17 am to TheCaterpillar
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This causes their pass rush to be on their heels.
Please elaborate on the ‘look’ that causes a d lineman to be on his heels with a straight drop back pass out of shotgun.
Your point would be well taken if Bama got pressure on LSU with blitzes and such, but it was simple, straight ahead d line rushing that got to us. Those same guys couldn’t quite get to Lawrence, who happens to be an excellent QB. That certainly makes an offense look good.
If we had called the exact same plays vs Bama we would have still looked like we did. Clemson stooped the d line from getting to the QB even on obvious passing downs.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:18 am to RidiculousHype
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You're using old information to attempt to reach a certain conclusion that you want: that is, talent isn't that important but scheme is. Yet you ignore that Clemson failed to score a single TD or break 200 total yards with the same HC, OC, and scheme just one year ago.
After Bama any that complained about the offense were told it was strictly a personnel problem. Our OL can't block and our WR's couldn't create separation. The narrative was that the scheme was perfectly fine and that no scheme could help our OL even begin to match up with the Bama D.
You are right about scheme not being the end all the same as talent not being the only factor of success. Our personnel and scheme need a shot in the arm.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:24 am to DesertCajun
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The key is giving your QB time, and your QB executing
Yes, and there are several ways to give your QB time.
1. Talented OL
2. Clever scheme (This includes variety of looks, quick passes to exhaust the rushers, and spreading the ball around to the edges)
3. Changing tempo
Clemson's OL isn't other-worldly talented by any means.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:25 am to Cs
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The point is that LSU has, on paper, recruited better than Clemson over the years
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:26 am to yallallcrazy
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Please elaborate on the ‘look’ that causes a d lineman to be on his heels with a straight drop back pass out of shotgun.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
They're on their heels because of the whole portfolio of play calls and looks that Clemson was showing them. As well as their ability to throw quick passes and change up tempo.
These things tire and confuse the rushers so they're not teeing off on the QB. Then, they call straight drop back pass out of shotgun.
Its not hard to understand how all of their plays are setting up the downfield passing game.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:27 am to yallallcrazy
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If we had called the exact same plays vs Bama we would have still looked like we did.
Absolutely fricking not. This is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:27 am to TheCaterpillar
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Clemson had time because they were showing Bama so many looks and spreading the ball around.
This causes their pass rush to be on their heels.
Yup
If you have watched LSU-BAMA over the past decade and think our problem is just not having talented enough o linemen, you’re crazy.
You’re never going to have talented enough linemen to block if the defense always knows what’s coming.
LSU will certainly never be able to recruit such an o line.
Edit: we also this year lacked rushers who could get to the edge, so play action was completely ineffective in slowing down the pass rush. I want to say Canada used end-arounds somewhat effectively against Bama two years ago. Is that right?
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:30 am to stephendomalley
It absolutely is a dig at our staff because some people on here think it’s only about talent.
It’s about talent (not just new players, but players improving as they get older), scheme, player retention, and everything together. As the guy who first replied to me said, we need to get better everywhere together on offense, not just one aspect.
It’s about talent (not just new players, but players improving as they get older), scheme, player retention, and everything together. As the guy who first replied to me said, we need to get better everywhere together on offense, not just one aspect.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:50 am to redfishfan
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Creative play calling?
This was their regular game plan. Clemson didn't do anything differently. Bama knew was to expect and couldn't stop it. That's because that O line stood up to the challenge.
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