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Anybody have O-line grades vs Florida?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:01 pm
Specifically Magee compared to Hines and Campbell. Just curious because per dandydon.com, Magee is gonna most likely start again this week and I was underwhelmed. Would like y'alls opinions, especially you lineman out there.
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 5:59 am to des4271
looks like PFF's grades for us are premium content, I haven't seen them.
So can't quite answer your question.
I will say Magee did not play well from what I saw. Some, not all, of the pressure being attributed to Charles was actually Magee.
The choice between Magee and Hines is a tough one right now. Hines does not have it all down and is making mistakes. I personally feel that Hines is more talented than Magee, but a year experience is important. And Magee was coming off lower body injury.
I sort of feel that, at least for UF game, there was no "lesser evil" between Magee and Hines. It was the same.
I would love to see the grades. I think Football Outsiders "line yards" metrics starts next week. I always love comparing those to PFFs grades. One measures the OL as a single entity (FO) and the other individual performance (PFF). Often they do not line up with FO mirroring what we see more closely.
So can't quite answer your question.
I will say Magee did not play well from what I saw. Some, not all, of the pressure being attributed to Charles was actually Magee.
The choice between Magee and Hines is a tough one right now. Hines does not have it all down and is making mistakes. I personally feel that Hines is more talented than Magee, but a year experience is important. And Magee was coming off lower body injury.
I sort of feel that, at least for UF game, there was no "lesser evil" between Magee and Hines. It was the same.
I would love to see the grades. I think Football Outsiders "line yards" metrics starts next week. I always love comparing those to PFFs grades. One measures the OL as a single entity (FO) and the other individual performance (PFF). Often they do not line up with FO mirroring what we see more closely.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:46 am to des4271
Offense
Foster Moreau
TE
Snaps - 65
Grade -80.1
Clyde Edwards-Helaire
RB
34
78.5
Adrian Magee
LG
80
70.3
Nick Brossette
RB
45
68.9
Damien Lewis
RG
80
66.1
Lloyd Cushenberry
C
80
65.6
Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR
16
65.2
Saahdiq Charles
LT
80
64.3
Derrick Dillon
WR
47
62.1
Joe Burrow
QB
80
61.8
Badara Traore
LT
1
60.0
Chris Curry
RB
1
59.2
Austin Deculus
RT
80
58.9
Justin Jefferson
WR
62
58.4
Jonathan Giles
WR
14
58.1
Stephen Sullivan
WR
33
57.6
Dee Anderson
WR
47
57.5
Racey McMath
TE
6
57.3
Ja'Marr Chase
WR
16
54.1
Tory Carter
FB
13
51.5
Foster Moreau
TE
Snaps - 65
Grade -80.1
Clyde Edwards-Helaire
RB
34
78.5
Adrian Magee
LG
80
70.3
Nick Brossette
RB
45
68.9
Damien Lewis
RG
80
66.1
Lloyd Cushenberry
C
80
65.6
Terrace Marshall Jr.
WR
16
65.2
Saahdiq Charles
LT
80
64.3
Derrick Dillon
WR
47
62.1
Joe Burrow
QB
80
61.8
Badara Traore
LT
1
60.0
Chris Curry
RB
1
59.2
Austin Deculus
RT
80
58.9
Justin Jefferson
WR
62
58.4
Jonathan Giles
WR
14
58.1
Stephen Sullivan
WR
33
57.6
Dee Anderson
WR
47
57.5
Racey McMath
TE
6
57.3
Ja'Marr Chase
WR
16
54.1
Tory Carter
FB
13
51.5
Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:47 am to Midtiger farm
Defense
Devin White
MLB
64
78.6
Michael Divinity
OLB
66
76.9
Grant Delpit
SS
71
75.7
Travez Moore
DE
4
75.7
Breiden Fehoko
NT
60
73.8
Micah Baskerville
MLB
73
72.7
Ed Alexander
NT
32
71.0
Neil Farrell
DE
20
70.7
Kristian Fulton
CD
64
63.1
Greedy Williams
CB
72
62.7
Kary Vincent Jr.
CB
42
61.8
Justin Thomas
DE
1
60.1
Glen Logan
DE
54
58.6
Andre Anthony
OLB
25
57.7
John Battle
FS
72
56.2
Ray Thornton
OLB
19
52.7
Patrick Queen
MLB
9
51.9
Todd Harris
FS
3
51.5
Kelvin Joseph
CB
7
50.1
Devin White
MLB
64
78.6
Michael Divinity
OLB
66
76.9
Grant Delpit
SS
71
75.7
Travez Moore
DE
4
75.7
Breiden Fehoko
NT
60
73.8
Micah Baskerville
MLB
73
72.7
Ed Alexander
NT
32
71.0
Neil Farrell
DE
20
70.7
Kristian Fulton
CD
64
63.1
Greedy Williams
CB
72
62.7
Kary Vincent Jr.
CB
42
61.8
Justin Thomas
DE
1
60.1
Glen Logan
DE
54
58.6
Andre Anthony
OLB
25
57.7
John Battle
FS
72
56.2
Ray Thornton
OLB
19
52.7
Patrick Queen
MLB
9
51.9
Todd Harris
FS
3
51.5
Kelvin Joseph
CB
7
50.1
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:38 pm to Midtiger farm
Thanks, hard for me to believe that Battle graded out where he did, he was absolutely terrible against Florida.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:44 pm to I20goon
Thanks for info, I was curious and from what I had seen of Hines, I thought he had done a decent job. Agree about Magee and didn't understand moving him to guard and especially after I read they started him after 2 days at guard. Can't understand how somebody downvoted you when you're just giving info, but that's how some are around here.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:32 pm to Midtiger farm
Precisely why I don’t follow these grades. How did battle grade out so high? Stupid.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:34 pm to Tigre Diablo
quote:56.2 isnt a good score
How did battle grade out so high?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:49 pm to lsupride87
quote:beat me to it. 65 is considered pretty poor (varies slightly by position).
quote:
How did battle grade out so high?
56.2 isnt a good score
Posted on 10/10/18 at 5:08 pm to des4271
quote:
Thanks, hard for me to believe that Battle graded out where he did, he was absolutely terrible against Florida.
you only noticed him when he was beaten
Posted on 10/10/18 at 5:13 pm to Midtiger farm
quote:
Defense
this is nice fodder for discussion, but the grader does not always know what the defender's responsibiliy might have been. Felipe Franks completed only 44% of his pases yet the cornerbacks graded only low 60's.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 6:56 pm to tigersbb
You're right because it was quite a few times. Looking in the back field while his man (TE) runs by him for TD, late to help Vincent with the deep half, did not diagnose (see Franks release out of backfield and stay at home on the back side)the throw back to Franks and was no where to be found on option to his side multiple times along with a few missed tackles. I didn't think the 56.2 was a good score overall, I just thought he should have graded a lot lower for all the mistakes.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:26 pm to des4271
Do you know who did look good to me? Travez Moore
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:12 pm to 2003tigerfan
Yeah, I hope they play him more this week. Jacob Phillips will be a big difference maker, great gap containment and instincts.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:37 pm to Midtiger farm
quote:
John Battle
FS
72
56.2
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:19 pm to Midtiger farm
These are failing grades across the board. Squares with what I saw.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:27 pm to Tigre Diablo
quote:
Precisely why I don’t follow these grades. How did battle grade out so high?
What??
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:31 pm to Midtiger farm
Out of curiosity, where did these grades come from?
Posted on 10/11/18 at 8:56 am to Philippines4LSU
72 is his snap count........
Posted on 10/11/18 at 9:03 am to des4271
quote:
Thanks, hard for me to believe that Battle graded out where he did, he was absolutely terrible against Florida.
A 56.2 is pretty bad, anything under a 60 is bad
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