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re: Amazing QB controversy Really?

Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:16 pm to
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9577 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:16 pm to
I dont see a reason why Nuss should leave at this point.. the only reason is to START this season at another program. because he has the keys for 2024 and 2025 if he chooses.. Daniels could also get hurt this upcoming season.. would be foolish for him to leave imo...
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20305 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:51 pm to
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It is unfounded hype, dear friend. Daniels is no QB. Hatred? You are stupid. The man is unable to decipher a defense.

Hahahahahaaaaa
Yeah, this sucked



Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66343 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:55 pm to
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Some idiots think JD5 can become the next Joey B because he will have a miraculous development this year giving him vertical passing ability. Those same idiots think Nuss can't develop and will continue throwing picks.


You can go back in his career and see him make down the field passes. He just needs to do it. His blocks are 100% mental.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:12 pm to
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you would think the fans that want Nuss to start would remember 2018/2019...but I guess they don't.


You would think Fans that want Daniels to start would remember 2021.
10 Tds and 10 interceptions. Plus
Arkansas and Texas A&M.

Just playing games, the coaches will figure it out.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43789 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:12 pm to
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Bennett had 289 total yards per game compared to 271 for Daniels and that was with Daniels playing only one quarter against Southern and missing the second half against Georgia. Bennett did account for 37 TDs to 29 for Daniels, but he played an extra game (plus the parts of games Daniels missed noted above). The overall production between the two isn’t as disparate as you are making it out to be.


Are you under the impression that Bennett was playing every minute of every game? Bennett only took snaps in the 4th quarter of 8 games this year.

Stetson Bennett is exactly what LSU fans HOPE Daniels can become. Acting like they are equals, at this point, is more ignorant than acting like the offense was great this year. Bennett averaged 1.5 more yards per attempt and 75 more passings yards per game, and I don’t think you will find anyone who believes their receivers were better than LSU’s. Daniels was good as a weapon last season, but he was average as a passer. In fact, his numbers were more similar to 2009 Jordan Jefferson and 2015 Brandon Harris than they were to Bennett, as a passer.

Daniels is going into his 5th year so the moment definitely isn’t too big for him, but if he’s going to help LSU take the next step he has to be better as a passer and not just a dynamic playmaker with his legs. If he doesn’t improve, LSU will still likely have a good season and win 10 or 11 games, so it’s not like it’s the end of the world.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 3:22 pm
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2826 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:46 pm to
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Stetson Bennett is exactly what LSU fans HOPE Daniels can become. Acting like they are equals is more ignorant than acting like the offense was great this year.


No matter how you slice it, Bennett wasn’t “helluva lot more productive” than Daniels. He had 18 more yards per game and played 6-8 more quarters than Daniels to account for about half of the 8 TD difference.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43789 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 4:00 pm to
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No matter how you slice it, Bennett wasn’t “helluva lot more productive” than Daniels.


As a passer, he was head and shoulders better. He had over 50% more passing yards and TDs. That’s significant no matter how many times you say “nuh uh”.

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He had 18 more yards per game and played 6-8 more quarters than Daniels to account for about half of the 8 TD difference.


This has already been addressed, and stop talking about total yards. This entire discussion is happening because I struck a nerve for some reason by saying Daniels needed to improve as a PASSER for LSU to have a higher ceiling than 10 wins and a West title.

Everyone already knows he’s a weapon with his legs, but Daniels isn’t going to run LSU to a SEC title or the playoffs. He has to get it done with his arm as well.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted by easy money
Member since Feb 2005
14420 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 4:17 pm to
Overall, Daniels probably had the best 1st year as a starting qb in LSU history.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2826 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 4:50 pm to
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Everyone already knows he’s a weapon with his legs, but Daniels isn’t going to run LSU to a SEC title or the playoffs. He has to get it done with his arm as well.


And, yet, you want to ignore his superior rushing contributions in the comparison to Bennett. That’s the part with which I disagree. You didn’t “strike a nerve”.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43789 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 4:58 pm to
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And, yet, you want to ignore his superior rushing contributions in the comparison to Bennett. That’s the part with which I disagree. You didn’t “strike a nerve”.


I didn’t ignore anything, scooter. I was talking about him improving as a passer. You continuing to bring up his rushing has nothing to do with anything I was discussing.

As a passer, he’s been average. He’s going to have to be better than average for LSU to win any titles or make the playoffs, which I’ve already said.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 5:01 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66343 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 6:17 pm to
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It’s only dumb if you don’t understand how footballl works.


I guess UGA and Purdue forgot the secret

I guess Auburn knew the secret but Ole Miss and Alabama just ignored it?


Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43789 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 6:34 pm to
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I guess UGA and Purdue forgot the secret


He rushed for -6 yards in the UGA game and only ran 6 times against Purdue. They didn’t forget anything, they played contain like most teams will going forward.

He threw for 350 and 2 TDs in those two games, by the way. Not exactly setting the world on fire.

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I guess Auburn knew the secret but Ole Miss and Alabama just ignored it?


He had a great stretch of games against Florida, Ole Miss and Alabama. Then he regressed a bit and looked bad against Arkansas and aTm. He averaged 184 passing yards and 53 yards rushing per game after Bama. He had 4 total TDs in those 5 games.

You know, like he’s inconsistent. Those numbers from the back 1/3 of the season were discouraging. That can’t happen again if LSU wants to take a step forward.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 6:40 pm
Posted by Bayoubengal205
Member since Nov 2016
922 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 6:57 pm to
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This is Lamar Jackson's stats as a sophomore when he won the award:
Passing: 230/409, 3,543 yards, 30 TDs, 9 INTs, and 8.7 YPA.
Rushing: 260 Att, 1571 yards, 21 TDs

Daniels as a senior:
Passing: 266/388, 2913 yards, 17 TDs, 3 INTs, and 7.5 YPA
Rushing: 186 Att, 885 yards, 11 TDs


I'm not saying Daniel's is Lamar Jackson. But comparing their stats is unfair. Lamar didn't play in the SEC, and the small sample size he gave us against SEC competition was against our defense, and it was not good at all.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66343 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:24 pm to
All I’m saying is spying and containing a WB with elite running ability is some secret or blueprint.

It’s what’s every team we’ve played has tried to do.

Jayden is plays well gets in a rhythm opens which opens up the run, or he hangs onto the ball way too like. And either throws a pass too late or get sacked.

Some of those games our OL stunk. Arkansas was smoking our OL.
Posted by dljtigers
Sulphur, LA
Member since Feb 2012
1822 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:23 pm to
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the bowl where he led the team to TDs on 4 of his 5 drives?



Bowl games are jokes. Some teams are fielding 3rd stringers or playing players completely out of position due to the nature of current CFB. Anyone taking away stats from bowl games outside of the playoffs are doing themselves a disservice.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10434 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:47 pm to
Daniels is not a good QB. All of those who doubt this will owe me apologies come the fall.
Posted by ForTheWin81
Member since Nov 2021
737 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:57 pm to
Well considering it was BK decision to have Nuss in for 1/3 snaps in the bowl game its alot closer than people think. BK also kinda criticized JDs lack of putting the ball in danger. Theirs something
to say for the way the O comes to life when Nuss comes in, the way he threatens the defense
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:02 pm to
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Overall, Daniels probably had the best 1st year as a starting qb in LSU history.




It wasn't his first year as a starting QB. It was his fourth.
Burrow had two years as a starting QB.

Since, like Burrow, this is Daniels second year of starting at LSU, are you expecting him to match Joe's second season?
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2826 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:59 pm to
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Bowl games are jokes. Some teams are fielding 3rd stringers or playing players completely out of position due to the nature of current CFB. Anyone taking away stats from bowl games outside of the playoffs are doing themselves a disservice.


Go back and read the context of the post to which I was responding, then get back to me.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
2826 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 12:03 am to
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He rushed for -6 yards in the UGA game and only ran 6 times against Purdue. They didn’t forget anything, they played contain like most teams will going forward. He threw for 350 and 2 TDs in those two games, by the way. Not exactly setting the world on fire.


You do realize Daniels had a bum ankle, right? Also, in the two games he played one half against Georgia and took less than half the snaps in the bowl, so it was really less than the equivalent of one full game in which he racked up 350 yards and 2 TDs.
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