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re: Alex Lange is very good against left handed hitters

Posted on 6/14/15 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/14/15 at 6:55 pm to
also you can make the argument that game 2 is more important than game 1 because you will face a better team in game 2 if you win.

But Poche got the start because of TCUs high number of lefties in their line up. HE laos and a better super regional outing than Lange.

CPMs biggest mistake today wasn't starting Poche it was staying with him when they went up 4-1.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22867 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 6:56 pm to
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How can people not see that the most important win in this damn tournament is game 1.



Lange does not give you that much greater of a chance to beat TCU. Lange gives you an exponentially better chance at beating Vandy. It's not very hard to see why PM did this. You're in the same spot if you throw Lange today, win, and then Vandy beats Poche. Only in that situation, you are probably not going to bring Lange back for the third game and you damn sure aren't going to bring Poche back. However, if we win Tuesday, Poche will likely throw on Thursday, and Poche is better than anyone we would have rolled out there had we started Lange today.
Posted by Tino
:yawn:
Member since Dec 2004
86225 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:08 pm to
I'm struggling to understand why people don't understand this
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
32362 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:14 pm to
quote:

Bottom line your best pitcher always starts the 1st game in this tournament.....every other team did this including Vandy who,is facing the weakest offense in the field.


Mainieri did that with Nola and look how that worked out.
Posted by LSU Delts
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
2617 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:15 pm to
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Starting Poche was a good decision.


No.

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Mainieri did that with Nola and look how that worked out.


Right on the money.
You pitch your best pitcher which gives you the best chance to stay in the winners bracket. You worry about tomorrow when that times comes.
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 7:17 pm
Posted by HoumaTigerFan
Member since Jan 2008
5618 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:16 pm to
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No it wasn't.. CPM didn't learn anything after his last trip on 2013. He made the exact same move then and pitchdd Cody Glenn in game one. How did that work out for us?


Please don't compare Poche to Glenn. Poche couldn't recover from his errors for some reason. He's been tough of late.
Posted by Carville
Sunshine, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5321 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:16 pm to
I'm struggling to understand why people think any of this matters when we could only score one run on their starter.
Posted by Tino
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Member since Dec 2004
86225 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:19 pm to
That is true
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31159 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:23 pm to
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CPM didn't learn anything after his last trip on 2013. He made the exact same move then and pitchdd Cody Glenn in game one. How did that work out for us?


yeah that was a head scratcher at the time but you're not supposed to question the coach apparently.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:24 pm to
People really don't understand that the first two games are weighted the exact same. Lange is our best option of course. But Poche was better suited for TCU. Still the right call.

Now, leaving him in to face two lefties for match ups sake when it was obvious he was done... That was a huge mistake.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:26 pm to
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People really don't understand that the first two games are weighted the exact same


I'm still baffled that people are trying to argue against this
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45023 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:26 pm to
quote:

CPM didn't learn anything after his last trip on 2013. He made the exact same move then and pitchdd Cody Glenn in game one. How did that work out for us?



yeah that was a head scratcher at the time but you're not supposed to question the coach apparently.
Are you guys this clueless?

Who pitched game 1 in 2013 CWS for LSU? I know who it was. Do you?
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288506 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:27 pm to
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Q: If Lange pitches like an ace for the win today while Poche shits all over himself defensively in the winners' bracket Tuesday, where does that leave LSU?




you can't look at it like that. That's just as bad as looking at it the way PM did.

You play to win the game in front of you. You worry about the next game when it comes. Momentum and confidence are real things in the game of baseball. You want to be sitting at 1-0. Guessing what will happen is the 2nd game is the same

Poche single handidly lost this game today. The decision couldnt have backfired worse
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:29 pm to
Nola
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
83721 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:31 pm to
It was still the right decision with the goal of going 2-0. If he doesn't go completely out of character with two straight inexplicable derps, he likely continues to cruise against a good matchup for him. People will disagree no matter what, and I have my issues with Mainieri like many do. But this decision was not a bad one.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
45023 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:35 pm to
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Nola
Exactly.

Yet these dumb asses want to say PM make the same mistake as 2013 by NOT throwing his ace game 1 CWS.

Just making up their own history, tRant.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288506 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:36 pm to
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But this decision was not a bad one.


I wouldn't call it bad, but it was definitely questionable and risky


yea, the game's are "weighted" the same, but it's sure better playing without the chance of going home with a loss. Added pressure with a freshman going and a demoralized team.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:38 pm to
I think he was playing to win till the top of the 6th when he pulled Newman.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:38 pm to
Some would argue game 1 pressure would be even bigger on a freshman.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/14/15 at 7:38 pm to
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Best pitcher on the team sitting on the bench. Clearly, it was the wrong decision.




Your logic is awful.
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