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re: After the Brown years and the Brady resurgence, did LSU basketball become unprioritized?

Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:57 am to
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:57 am to
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Shaq stopped playing many years ago. Basketball hasn’t been relevant since then.
We made the Sweet 16 just a few years ago. We made the Final Four almost 15 years after Shaq left.
Posted by sta4ever
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:58 am to
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I’ll continue to beat this dead horse as long as I have to but the model for LSU basketball is Houston.


LSU can’t do the Houston model. Houston is a big arse city, in a big arse state, and always has been. Houston and any school in Texas has the advantage many schools in the Northeast have. LSU can not compete by going off a model of a school who’s been a basketball powerhouse for a long time now. LSU can’t depend on Louisiana recruits. LSU will always have to go out of state, and out of the region, to consistently pull in the top basketball players.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:29 am to
Right now... MBB should be at 5 or hell, more likely ranked at 10.
Posted by mhc4tigers
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:35 am to
Trent Jonson and Johnny Jones took us to new lows

Wade resurrected the program but got railroaded for what everyone else was doing… he was guilty unfortunately

McMahon is a good basketball player coach. Hard to recover from losing everyone. NIL? Recruiting in general?
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:37 am to
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Hard to recover from losing everyone. NIL? Recruiting in general?
He’s in year 3 and has recruited just fine. He’s yet to prove he can coach in the SEC. That’s the problem.
Posted by LSUGreg
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:37 am to
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4a. Men's basketball.
4b. Gymnastics.
5. Track and Field.


I believe it is realistic to place men's basketball at 6. Even during the Brady Ball Final four run there was little to no marketing of the program. They just do not care to even try to generate interest.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:43 am to
Dale hung on too long and then the NCAA came along. Pretty much killed the program.

Brady brought it back some but it lacked the excitement and star power of earlier years. I mean, we would go toe to toe with the big boys during the regular season, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, uNVL, Arizona, Loyola Marymount, etc.

The administration has not exactly made basketball a priority either. Wade was the first coach we've had since Brown who generated some excitement in the program. Hence one reason many are sore about how it all went down.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:52 am to
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Dale hung on too long and then the NCAA came along. Pretty much killed the program.
Dale antagonized the NCAA for years. Rightfully so in my opinion. But when they got credible dirt on dale, they were coming down with a sledgehammer. fricking Lester Earl and Roy Williams.

I think Dale would have lasted longer if Randy Livingston didn’t blow out his knee at LSU.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:08 am to
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here was little to no marketing of the program.


I really don't think marketing is the issue, a dynamic coach whose team wins is the only marketing that will make a difference. And even then unless you get a Unicorn like a Pearl or Mulkey even that will take years to change the culture.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:30 am to
True. But Dale was a helluva a promoter for LSU basketball. He understood marketing.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:34 am to
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He’s in year 3 and has recruited just fine. He’s yet to prove he can coach in the SEC. That’s the problem.


The only conclusion one can reach when it comes to the "he's a great x's and o's coach, but just can't get the players" is that they don't actually pay attention or watch the games. They just repeat some groupthink narrative. Almost like the Mandela effect. It's as if they believe McMahon is a tactician second only to John Wooden who is unfortunately saddled with part-time rec players, guys who buried on the bench at community colleges last year, and/or members of the marching band who are just trying to stay in shape for football season.

By every evaluative measure these same folks use to judge football and baseball recruiting McMahon has not recruited poorly in his time at LSU. Even his very first HS signing class amidst the "cloud of negativity".
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:35 am to
The point is Houston has been doing it without highly ranked recruits. By comparison we’ve had more 4 and 5* recruits than Houston during Sampson’s tenure there so they’re not winning with highly skilled guys, they’re using raw athletic players and highly aggressive defense to get it done which is something we can copy. I’m not suggesting we exclusively use local kids but you use them to create a foundation with a couple guys here and there sprinkled in. They’re also not an overly big team, their bigs usually range from 6-7 to 6-9 and are physical but not what you’d consider highly skilled. They’re bangers not the 6-10 and up more potentially skilled and polished guys we tend to chase. It provides some advantages, you don’t have to develop guys as much and you’ll keep guys longer in your system. For what our state provides you can copy their model.
Posted by Geaux Guy
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:41 am to
Remembering Dale Brown doing his tour putting up goals and replacing nets all over the state, I was about to say ‘we just aren’t a basketball state’. I’m glad i didn’t because with a quick search, I see that we are actually ranked #2 (behind D.C.) from a # per capita of players in the NBA. The data is a couple years ago but still surprised me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vb0v55/states_ranked_by_number_of_nba_players_per_capita/?rdt=33396
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:37 am to
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when did the student section move from the side to behind the goal? a pary of LSU basketball died when that happened...


Me too. I believe it was 2010 (maybe 2011). Apparently more revenue could be made from the side court seats.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:44 pm to
It did. But men’s basketball sucks in the NBA too. College basketball has become a whistle fest that doesn’t end, and the NBA doesn’t allow players to play defense anymore. And all the best players wanna be superfriends on the same team and chase cheaper championships. They don’t work with what they have, they take the helicopter to the top of the mountain vs climbing up it the hard way. Makes for a shitty viewing experience.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Tiger Ugly
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:57 pm to
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True. But Dale was a helluva a promoter for LSU basketball. He understood marketing.


He was very much like Pearl in many ways. Both had the media coming to them for quotes - but my point is these focused marketing campaigns won't move the needle much. It's got to driven by personality and success IMHO.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 1:59 pm to
No one said otherwise. But we had some success under Brady and it just didn't catch fire.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 2:02 pm to
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No one said otherwise. But we had some success under Brady and it just didn't catch fire.
Brady’s teams were wildly inconsistent. We’d have a good season and start to get some traction and then we’d follow it up with a mediocre or bad season.

And then his personality was just the icing.
Posted by tarzana
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 2:28 pm to
The last four seasons Dale Brown coached at LSU, the team was abysmal. The team in 1995-96 and 96-97 was largely playing before microscopic crowds from February on.
Posted by Clark W Griswold
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 2:57 pm to
Basketball has never been prioritized. Maybe in the 80s it had a surge but once baseball exploded it took 2nd place for good. After Shaq and then probation all the air was let out of the program and nobody has been able to get it back. Even the 2006 year I remember being at a game that Jan and the crowd was small. It wasn’t until the end of that season that fans really started showing up. We haven’t repeated anything close to that success since. We haven’t been able to consistently compete on a national level and the fans ultimately don’t care about an average program.

There’s just no reason to get excited. No NBA caliber studs to promote. No coach that is out there ripping his shirt off like Bruce Pearl. Just an avg coach and team that plays well some games.
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