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re: A Stanford fan's take on Trent Johnson
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:55 am to Scoob
Posted on 2/15/11 at 7:55 am to Scoob
quote:
What exactly was the calamity that TJ walked into
Besides an injuryed Taz, what underclassmen were here to start 09?
The 08 Tigers where not his recruits, but he coached them to some pretty nice success and it took just bout all that years NC had to send them home.
You can't have our last two seasons and know he's the right guy, but we need to hold our water a tad longer before we call him the wrong guy. imo
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Posted on 2/15/11 at 8:06 am to Scoob
quote:
I'm a Dale fan
How did Dale fare his first 3 years at LSU?
Posted on 2/15/11 at 8:15 am to crankbait
quote:Now wait a second. When Brady won the SEC and went to the Sweet 16, that was because of Louisiana/Baton Rouge talent and he had nothing to do with it, not even the recruiting of it. Then he won the SEC and went to the Final Four, and it was all because of the Louisiana/Baton Rouge talent and he had nothing to do with it, not even the recruiting of it. Then the players he left on the roster won the SEC and went to the Tourney under Johnson, and it was all because of Louisiana/Baton Rouge talent and Brady had nothing to do with it, not even the recruiting of it.quote:Fixed. Don't ever refer to that as Brady's talent
He did well his first year with Baton Rouge's talent
If Louisiana/Baton Rouge talent is just magically shows up at LSU ever couple of years and wins the SEC and makes a run at the tournament regardless of who's coaching, shouldn't we be due for another "magical" run in the next year or so?
<~~~ weeping for the poor people so blinded by hate that they can't give John Brady any credit 
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:03 am to fab4lsu
quote:
Do you have a rational argument against my conclusion of the data presented? If so, show us. If not, say so and we can move on to any other topic you desire.
Nevada (Big West) (1999–2000)
1999–2000 Nevada 9–20 6–10 T–3rd (East)
Nevada (WAC) (2000–2004)
2000–2001 Nevada 10–18 3–13 9th
2001–2002 Nevada 17–13 9–9 T–5th
2002–2003 Nevada 18–14 10–6 T–3rd NIT First Round
2003–2004 Nevada 25–9 13–5 T–1st NCAA Sweet 16
case closed. from 9-20 year one to 25-9 in year five. if only they would have fired him after year three!
tell me, what's the point of only selecting part of someone's career? you want the guy fired so you can't say he did well somewhere else? you get joy out of defaming people?
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:05 am to Jester
quote:
I am still talking about the Stanford fan's take. Hence the thread title.
Nevada (Big West) (1999–2000)
1999–2000 Nevada 9–20 6–10 T–3rd (East)
Nevada (WAC) (2000–2004)
2000–2001 Nevada 10–18 3–13 9th
2001–2002 Nevada 17–13 9–9 T–5th
2002–2003 Nevada 18–14 10–6 T–3rd NIT First Round
2003–2004 Nevada 25–9 13–5 T–1st NCAA Sweet 16
then why not post a nevada's "fan" (i notice it is singular) take?
objective and selective point you got there. yeah, we should value your take.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:09 am to Bubba Hotep
quote:Well, he is leading the west and on the bubble to get into the NCAA. We have 2 victories in the SEC with no hope for the future.
Then enlighten me on Anthony Grant's accomplishments, in comparison to Trent Johnson's.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:10 am to Scoob
quote:This!
he needs to be fired RIGHT NOW
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:11 am to Bandits
quote:
Well, he is leading the west and on the bubble to get into the NCAA. We have 2 victories in the SEC with no hope for the future.
so trent's (accomplishment) s.e.c. title has less value than leading the west and a bubble team?
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:21 am to dos crystal
quote:.
I give him one more year to prove what he's got. He has a 7' 260 lb. Iowa State transfer in Justin Hamilton and a 6'10" 240 lb. freak of nature recruit in Johnny O' Bryant. Lack of post presence has been his main problem in his tenure at LSU. This will open up shots for our relatively talented guards who can be good when they don't have to be the stars. If he can't win with these guys, he won't win with anybody
This statement plus his record at Nevada
quote:
Nevada (Big West) (1999–2000)
1999–2000 Nevada 9–20 6–10 T–3rd (East)
Nevada (WAC) (2000–2004)
2000–2001 Nevada 10–18 3–13 9th
2001–2002 Nevada 17–13 9–9 T–5th
2002–2003 Nevada 18–14 10–6 T–3rd NIT First Round
2003–2004 Nevada 25–9 13–5 T–1st NCAA Sweet 16
Leaves little to be discussed.
He's loaded with freshman and the bigs arrive next year giving us depth at the center and power forward positions. Next year he MUST make the tournament. It is clear there are no "established programs" in the West and I look for our team to be in the running (1st or 2nd) for the next three years- or fire him.
I support Trent because I like how he wants his teams to focus on just a couple of simple things. A coach can't coach everything.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 9:26 am to HSHoopscoach
quote:
Lack of post presence has been his main problem in his tenure at LSU. This will open up shots for our relatively talented guards who can be good when they don't have to be the stars. If he can't win with these guys, he won't win with anybody
i think he wins more next year. however, we still need the point guard. if he can land a quality point guard, something lsu hasn't had in a very long time, he could have a pretty complete team. i believe, if he lands the point guard, he will make a run at the s.e.c. title next year.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 10:44 am to dos crystal
Two years with 4 SEC victories equal failure.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 11:02 am to Bandits
Forget all the recruiting, records, charactor....
No fans in the PMAC means no interest in the program and from a purely business perspective, it is time to fire him (THE CEO of the BBALL team) and find someone else.
No fans in the PMAC means no interest in the program and from a purely business perspective, it is time to fire him (THE CEO of the BBALL team) and find someone else.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 11:14 am to ColdDuck
quote:
Forget all the recruiting, records, charactor....
No fans in the PMAC means no interest in the program and from a purely business perspective, it is time to fire him (THE CEO of the BBALL team) and find someone else.
please tell me the last time there was fans in the PMAC? does it really matter who the coach is? it's been the late 80's since there was fan support. Brady had a final four team that got it's first sell out of the PMAC the last game of the season.
To get fans in the PMAC, a coach/program will have to win consistently. That is why trent was brought in to build a program and not a team. it's why you hear this phrase. the administration knows it will take time. The way you build and maintain a program is with a large percentage of four year players. They have a plan, they are building the foundation, they know it will turn.
i'm happy they are sticking with their plan, being patient, to see it through. not ditching it in the middle and starting all over. you don't stop building the house when the foundation is poored and the framing is complete. you still have plumbing, electrical, dry wall ect.
This post was edited on 2/15/11 at 11:23 am
Posted on 2/15/11 at 11:24 am to dos crystal
But if there are major cracks in the foundation, you do start over...
Posted on 2/15/11 at 11:39 am to The Cable Guy
quote:
O'bryant could be the real deal, and I hope he is, but from what I've heard from people with intimate knowledge of Lsu and sec hoops is he's 6'8 not 6'10 like many posters are championing.
He is 6'10, I can prove it
Posted on 2/15/11 at 11:58 am to KingHippo
If a player can play, the difference in 6-8 and 6-10 is non-existant.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:07 pm to Bubba Hotep
quote:
If a player can play, the difference in 6-8 and 6-10 is non-existant.
I agree, I'm just saying I can show that he is
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:19 pm to Hitchcock
quote:
Sorry anyone posting "or else" just kind of makes me smirk and I had to comment.
25 year old Trent Johnson apologist smirks at comment.
Guy that takes the profile information as bible despite being told otherwise over and over again remains an old, malcontent that still posts on message boards all day long.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:21 pm to The Cable Guy
quote:
Glad you have faith in Hamilton. What is he a career 4 point scorer? O'bryant could be the real deal, and I hope he is, but from what I've heard from people with intimate knowledge of Lsu and sec hoops is he's 6'8 not 6'10 like many posters are championing
Considering LSU's track record of having very productive guys that are barely over 6'5" 6'6" in the post I'm not sure that a reported 6'10" that is actually 6'8" is an actual a problem.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:27 pm to KingHippo
The word is "accountability." Mr. Alleva please take note.
TJ is showing this year what an awful game manager he really is. No adjustments, poor use of time-outs, and questionable substitutions illustrate the point. This doesn't even take into account whatever is going on behind the scenes during practice and game preparation. Whatever he's doing, the players don't seem to be responding.
I think TJ has one year left ... after this season mercifully ends ... to show significant improvement, or he's gone.
I've followed LSU basketball since the Assembly Center first opened ... which was Press Maravich's last season (1971-72).
This season is as bad as it gets.
TJ is showing this year what an awful game manager he really is. No adjustments, poor use of time-outs, and questionable substitutions illustrate the point. This doesn't even take into account whatever is going on behind the scenes during practice and game preparation. Whatever he's doing, the players don't seem to be responding.
I think TJ has one year left ... after this season mercifully ends ... to show significant improvement, or he's gone.
I've followed LSU basketball since the Assembly Center first opened ... which was Press Maravich's last season (1971-72).
This season is as bad as it gets.
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