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re: A Stanford fan's take on Trent Johnson
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:29 pm to Bandits
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:29 pm to Bandits
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But if there are major cracks in the foundation, you do start over...
yep, and you set yourself back as a result. you have more money invested in a home than it's worth. therefore, you don't come out ahead. your theory to start over doesn't solve your problem. it only diggs you a deeper hole.
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Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:34 pm to dos crystal
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yep, and you set yourself back as a result. you have more money invested in a home than it's worth. therefore, you don't come out ahead. your theory to start over doesn't solve your problem. it only diggs you a deeper hole.
Agree. Basketball recruiting is about forming relationships over a long period of time as players commit so early. You get rid of the coach now and the next guy is only playing catch-up for guys in 2012 like Gathers and company and eroding any foundation that may exist.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:40 pm to LCTigers69
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TJ is showing this year what an awful game manager he really is. No adjustments, poor use of time-outs, and questionable substitutions illustrate the point. This doesn't even take into account whatever is going on behind the scenes during practice and game preparation. Whatever he's doing, the players don't seem to be responding.
it's a talent issue. you can call a time out, manage, study, all you want right now. isn't going to solve the problem
second, the players are responding. Darenbecker has improved a great deal. turner is a good player, has been hurt. bass, he is limited, but has improved. warren, when healthy, has played decently. Green isn't very good but is better than he has been. White is about what white has been. stringer is inconsistant but shows ability. i think he really comes to life once a post presence is established.
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This season is as bad as it gets.
agreed. they are who they are. it's not going to all of sudden get better this year. no improvement next year, he will be gone. with that said, i think they make a big jump next year.
people forget, they are the youngest team in the s.e.c.. Florida is the only team that returned their starting five this year. Where is florida? at the top of conference. There is a reason. lsu will return their entire team with obryant, with issac, with hamilton. they will be better.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:43 pm to Tiger Authority
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You get rid of the coach now and the next guy is only playing catch-up for guys in 2012 like Gathers and company and eroding any foundation that may exist.
Not saying Trent should be fired this year but you don't keep a failing coach just to save a recruiting class.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 12:46 pm to saintsfan22
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Not saying Trent should be fired this year but you don't keep a failing coach just to save a recruiting class.
I agree with this. But I do think you give him more time as so many posters are quick to point out our talent problems. I like our class for next year, I have some optimism that we'll be improved drastically next year, and hope that this talk ceases. But if we lay another egg I will re-evaluate that stance.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 1:13 pm to Tiger Authority
So the assumption is he can coach. Is that true? Prove it?
Posted on 2/15/11 at 1:15 pm to Bandits
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So the assumption is he can coach. Is that true? Prove it?
As someone said on page 5, incompetent posters have the google function too.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 1:17 pm to Tiger Authority
Bandit, this guy said it better than I just did:
"prove me wrong?"
At least you managed to create a post that came off as both ignorant and entitled. It is not my job to provide you with information, you can feel free to go find it for yourself. TJ has had some level of success at four different programs and has won NCAA tournament games with 3 of them. That is a guy "who can't coach at all" evidently.
Has he done a poor job this year? Yes. It is possible to say that without discrediting his past success, including his first year at LSU.
"prove me wrong?"
At least you managed to create a post that came off as both ignorant and entitled. It is not my job to provide you with information, you can feel free to go find it for yourself. TJ has had some level of success at four different programs and has won NCAA tournament games with 3 of them. That is a guy "who can't coach at all" evidently.
Has he done a poor job this year? Yes. It is possible to say that without discrediting his past success, including his first year at LSU.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 1:27 pm to Bandits
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So the assumption is he can coach. Is that true? Prove it?
So has the guy been to multiple Sweet 16s or not?
Has the guy won the SEC before or not?
Has the guy won Coach of the Year in three different conferences, or not?
I'm not sure what more proof you need or are looking for.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 1:29 pm to Tiger Authority
i am basing my opinion on game situations i have watched this year. Our offense when you have not recruited any talent you have to try and slow the game down, not pass once and shoot it from 35', our inbounds plays are terrible and always have been, our defense is horrible, rebounding is terrible, the times we have been blown out in the second half, we never do anything good out of timeouts...ever, just watch the next time we have a time out with the ball and see how many times we score, or for that matter even get off a shot. My point in an earlier post was for someone to give me an example of good coaching from tj other than lucking into some good situations. MT5 made this guy look like a genius.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 1:31 pm to jr33
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i am basing my opinion on game situations i have watched this year. Our offense when you have not recruited any talent you have to try and slow the game down, not pass once and shoot it from 35', our inbounds plays are terrible and always have been, our defense is horrible, rebounding is terrible, the times we have been blown out in the second half, we never do anything good out of timeouts...ever, just watch the next time we have a time out with the ball and see how many times we score, or for that matter even get off a shot. My point in an earlier post was for someone to give me an example of good coaching from tj other than lucking into some good situations. MT5 made this guy look like a genius.
Where have I read this before? Page 4: Same Poster
His bench coaching is horrendous, no in bound plays, defense is horrible, shooting 40' jump shots more than i care to count, and we all know what happened in the last seven seconds against Ole Miss. We have been completely blown out by numerous teams home and away. Lost to Nicholls State and overtime win against mcneese state..wow thats impressive. Tj is a hard headed, and does not have a clue how to coach talent when he gets it. TJ is the wrong guy for this job and if we are happy with being embarassed and "building a program" well get used to hopefully getting in the NIT consistently cause that's where we are headed with this guy as our coach.
This post was edited on 2/15/11 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 2/15/11 at 3:00 pm to jr33
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My point in an earlier post was for someone to give me an example of good coaching from tj other than lucking into some good situations.
you have been provided with this information. his nevada stats have been covered, his stanford stats have been covered, his lsu stats have been covered. it's more about reading comprehension.
[quote]i am basing my opinion on game situations i have watched this year.
i guess you didn't watch game situations in the 08/09 season? didn't see your comments about inbounds plays, thorton jacking up long three's, rebounding, ect. i guess he just forgot how to coach that in the last two years.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 3:26 pm to Tiger Authority
quote:Not sure what this means. Don't have the time or the inclination. Not going to the games and am embarrassed by what is happening at LSU.
google function too.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 3:29 pm to dos crystal
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guess you didn't watch game situations in the 08/09 season? didn't see your comments about inbounds plays, thorton jacking up long three's, rebounding, ect. i guess he just forgot how to coach that in the last two years.
Yes I did and thanks for confirming my theory that MT5 made this guy look like a genius. MT5 bailed tj out of many games that year. Without a bailout man he hasn't a clue.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 3:39 pm to jr33
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Yes I did and thanks for confirming my theory that MT5 made this guy look like a genius. MT5 bailed tj out of many games that year. Without a bailout man he hasn't a clue.
I don't understand why that matters? He was lucky that a kid from Tara wasn't recruited and came to LSU after JUCO? Okay, we got lucky a local basketball player is an NBA talent. You've posted this about 100 times in your 150 posts. We get it.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 3:39 pm to jr33
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Yes I did and thanks for confirming my theory that MT5 made this guy look like a genius. MT5 bailed tj out of many games that year. Without a bailout man he hasn't a clue.
oh dear lord, so he had MT5 at stanford and nevada?
that dang dean smith couldn't coach either. he had michael jordan, james worthy, sam perkins, jamison, ect bail him out all those years. he was just lucky.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 3:40 pm to Bandits
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Not sure what this means. Don't have the time or the inclination. Not going to the games and am embarrassed by what is happening at LSU.
bullshite on almost every level. You don't have the time or the inclination but you can come on here and post numerous times without even reading what has been posted? This post is the reason why people shouldn't even care what your opinion is.
Posted on 2/15/11 at 3:50 pm to jr33
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Yes I did and thanks for confirming my theory that MT5 made this guy look like a genius. MT5 bailed tj out of many games that year. Without a bailout man he hasn't a clue.
I am trying not to bring up Brady, but I just can't help myself.
If Marcus Thornton was that damn good, where he could make shitty coaches win Coach of the Year awards and lead them to Conference Titles, despite their obvious lack of coaching talent, what in the hell happened to Brady the year before?
He had the nuclear weapon of all basketball players, the dreaded MT5. How did he get fired?
Posted on 2/15/11 at 4:01 pm to jr33
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Yes I did and thanks for confirming my theory that MT5 made this guy look like a genius. MT5 bailed tj out of many games that year. Without a bailout man he hasn't a clue.
Tiger Authority, dos crystal & Bubba Hotep are TeamJohnson Shortbus Apologists.
It's what they do.
This post was edited on 2/15/11 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 2/15/11 at 5:24 pm to dos crystal
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then why not post a nevada's "fan" (i notice it is singular) take?
objective and selective point you got there. yeah, we should value your take.
You can certainly feel free to lick my nuts. It's a fricking internet discussion, not a dissertation. You go for that PhD in TJ Manlove, Honcho.
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