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re: 13-0 run and Jones sits on his full allotment of timeouts
Posted on 2/21/15 at 11:19 pm to semjase
Posted on 2/21/15 at 11:19 pm to semjase
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Any long term success this program has under Johnny Jones will be due to a talent advantage where we just have better athletes on the floor.
You mean like every other p5 conference program? No team wins without talent. Not one.
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Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:17 am to JaxTiger10
Agreed. The difference is the evaluation of coaching talent with the age-old "can he take yours and beat his" question. In my estimation Jones is light years away from being a Xs & Os or strategic coach. If this opinion is correct, it will take overwhelmingly good talent to overcome this disadvantage. If Jones can consistently recruit to that level, and Alleva and the fan base can live with that, then JJ's the right guy. I don't think he can consistently recruit to that level.
Time will tell.
Time will tell.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:31 am to soccerfüt
Coach BM Jones and his coaching philosophies eeriely reminds me of another coach that I just can't quite put my finger on.Maybe it will come to me.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:34 am to JaxTiger10
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You mean like every other p5 conference program? No team wins without talent. Not one.
He said "talent advantage", not just "talent. Some coaches can win even if they don't have the most talent on the court.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:45 am to soccerfüt
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Winning in spite of Coach Jones because of talent.
Well that isn't logical
It's his job to bring talent in
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:48 am to bayoubengal225
Winning sucks.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:21 am to soccerfüt
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If Jones can consistently recruit to that level, and Alleva and the fan base can live with that, then JJ's the right guy. I don't think he can consistently recruit to that level.
I actually think he came along at the right time for recruiting here and made the wise move of getting Patrick at the most opportune time, much like his mentor used to hire the big-time recruits high school coach.
Jordon Mickey's brother played football at LSU helped and that was a fortunate circumstance in our favor and Martin along with the kid that went to Vandy were the best two recruits in B.R. in 5 years or more.
And in the coming years U-High has 2-3 solid D-1 prospects and Johnny's son plays their along with Wayne Sims' son. For me that sets up quite nicely for future recruiting.
Of course some of the guys we brought in that some expected maybe a bit more from like Odo, Elbert and Malon...everyone has those, but it would be nice if they were not all at the same position. Hopefully Elbert can improve his movement and contribute in the future per his relatively high ranking.
All that means is IMHO talent won't be the issue in the coming few years. CJJ maybe is still learning to be a head coach at this level, at least I hope he's learning and improving.
For me it's still discipline and accountability that are the areas he needs to make the most strides in. But pulling for him and my Tigers.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:31 am to Tiger Ugly
I believe we are winning now with mainly the talent on the floor. JJ will occasionally make a good X/O decision, but by and large, he flounders around on the sideline looking lost and sitting on timeouts.
If/when he starts missing on recruiting talent....in other words, a bad year or two where he brings in marginal players, I think we see an ugly losing season.
Like with Miles, I dont see this situation magically improving anytime soon.
If/when he starts missing on recruiting talent....in other words, a bad year or two where he brings in marginal players, I think we see an ugly losing season.
Like with Miles, I dont see this situation magically improving anytime soon.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:36 am to cheo25
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You really think Cal, who has more talent that anyone in the country, would allow a run like Florida went on without any use of timeout? Really? That's bad coaching.
I think that Jones definitely should have called a time out during the run.
But this comment makes no sense considering Cal let LSU go on a huge run without calling a time out. Hell - he even bragged about it after the game.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:46 am to RedTigerRulz
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I believe we are winning now with mainly the talent on the floor. JJ will occasionally make a good X/O decision, but by and large, he flounders around on the sideline looking lost and sitting on timeouts.
I would not totally discount this. I've heard his philosophy is to let the kids have some freedom to play and not be always looking over their shoulder and there is definitely some feeling among many that the college game today is extremely too micromanaged and over-coached.
Dan Dokitch relayed how the hockey coach at the school he coached at always made fun of him about all the t.v. timeouts along with all the timeouts they were given. "Don't you guys practice?"
I don't think CJJ is quite as bad a technician as some do though I certainly do and have scratched my head at times on certain thing (inbounds plays being one).
But for me it's more to accountability and discipline and setting that tone for the program to instill enough of that so that these silly fundamental things like unforced turnovers and bad shot selection don't keep happening over and over and over and over.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:53 am to Tiger Ugly
Honestly I think Cjjs best coaching job as far as in game situations was his first season. He got more out of that roster than expected. Last year was a let down even though we took the step forward to the NIT because we should have been a tourny team. This year we have to wait and see.
I understand trying to be a players coach and let them work out some kinks but when teams go on multiple 10-12-0 runs you have to use a timeout. especially if they are coming because we are turning it over or getting complacent with taking bad outside shots. If we were soundly in the tourny right now then alot of the nit picks about his in game coaching would go away.
I understand trying to be a players coach and let them work out some kinks but when teams go on multiple 10-12-0 runs you have to use a timeout. especially if they are coming because we are turning it over or getting complacent with taking bad outside shots. If we were soundly in the tourny right now then alot of the nit picks about his in game coaching would go away.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 12:10 pm to heartbreakTiger
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but when teams go on multiple 10-12-0 runs you have to use a timeout.
Oh, I agree heartbreak. Those are head scratchers. I think there are way too many timeouts allotted in basketball considering you already get 4 per half for t.v.
But if you have them, those are the situations to use them.
Now this end of the game stuff with all the timeouts..... maddening. My old high school coach used to tell us,"y'all know what to do, we practice situationals all the time". Plus if you play on you don't give the other team time to situationally substitute, set up and match up defensively.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 3:08 pm to lsumatt
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Cal let LSU go on a huge run without calling a time out. Hell - he even bragged about it after the gam
He bragged about what he said during the timeout
He also called a timeout when their lead was cut to 8
This post was edited on 2/22/15 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 2/22/15 at 8:17 pm to bayoubengal225
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bayoubengal225
13-0 run and Jones sits on his full allotment of timeouts
This is the worst coaching staff I have ever witnessed in college basketball
Duh, is your memory so bad that you can't remember his predecessor???
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