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Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:16 pm to XbengalTiger
dont be delusional...it WILL catch up to us
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:16 pm to lsudiva2010
For the record, being a gentleman, and father of VERY smart daughters, I would not play the "bimbo" or "blonde" card.
But lets not try to mask this FUTILITY.
It IS shocking.
I just wanted to know if anyone believes it is correctable or if we are doomed to be a smashmouth team with finesse personnel.
But lets not try to mask this FUTILITY.
It IS shocking.
I just wanted to know if anyone believes it is correctable or if we are doomed to be a smashmouth team with finesse personnel.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:16 pm to ForeLSU
I Agree with you ForeLSU. Thats the style that fits our personel best ( exluding shep and trindon) i dont understand why we have a line built for spread. a dual threat quaterback, power backs and play NFL prototype wr's.. it seems we have some personel that can fit that system..Calhoun,ford, J.taylor, J. williams, C.Tolliver. D. Peterson. They just dont see the field for those types of. Now, granted they are all young. But are we heading in that direction. If we are, thats why i dont understand us offering Zach Lee, getting commits from Hill, and wetting our pants for Hilliard. Something has to give, and we need to create a Identity. Then roll with it
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:17 pm to heehaw
quote:There is no telling what other dumb tendencies we have that real coaches pick up on.
That does not mean we have to run to the short side every time we run the fricking ball
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:19 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
Are yards more important than points?
Are stats more important than wins?
I think this is called a false dichotomy.
Intellectually dishonest people do this all day long, completely oblivious to the entire range of options in the middle.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:23 pm to Lsupimp
If you are Seastrunk would you be coming to LSU and get stuffed every play?
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:25 pm to seinfeldtiger
We have a very weird personnel selection.
Scott: Is not a spread option back, why does he lead the team in carries? He can be used sometimes but he has to be used correctly. We can't just say "hm why don't we pop a run to Scott in the I" because it is WAY too predictable. He's a good back but he doesn't fit into this scheme as the primary back.
Keiland: Our best option at RB yet he has only had more carries than Scott in one game. He has the ability to go out on a swing or a screen, and he can bounce it to the outside with the run as well. THIS is what you need for a spread option offense.
Jefferson: Mobile, but not a scrambler. I think he can fit but he HAS TO shorten that release some. This is a fast paced offense and he has to get the ball out quickly. How often are we running screens and quick passes that SHOULD get guys in space only to have them be hit when they catch the ball or a step afterward?
OL: Undersized OL only further weakens Chuck's ability and our power running game in general. If they can't hold blocks long...then we have to get the ball out of JJ's hands and get it out quick. See above.
Scott: Is not a spread option back, why does he lead the team in carries? He can be used sometimes but he has to be used correctly. We can't just say "hm why don't we pop a run to Scott in the I" because it is WAY too predictable. He's a good back but he doesn't fit into this scheme as the primary back.
Keiland: Our best option at RB yet he has only had more carries than Scott in one game. He has the ability to go out on a swing or a screen, and he can bounce it to the outside with the run as well. THIS is what you need for a spread option offense.
Jefferson: Mobile, but not a scrambler. I think he can fit but he HAS TO shorten that release some. This is a fast paced offense and he has to get the ball out quickly. How often are we running screens and quick passes that SHOULD get guys in space only to have them be hit when they catch the ball or a step afterward?
OL: Undersized OL only further weakens Chuck's ability and our power running game in general. If they can't hold blocks long...then we have to get the ball out of JJ's hands and get it out quick. See above.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:26 pm to mdtiger1
quote:
If you are Seastrunk would you be coming to LSU and get stuffed every play?
If I was Lache and I saw the offense we are moving TOWARD then I would jizz my pants and commit immediately. If we stop trying to force two different offenses and commit to the spread option he would fit in PERFECTLY.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:45 pm to lsudiva2010
1. We need to find one offense that works....you'd think we would have found that by now. Too many people are too educated in the game and paid so much not to recognize skill/talent and place it where it is productive, and to hide weaknesses with X and O formulas that work. Everytime we go out there it's like we're watching a coaching experiment. We need identity.
2. We need a leader on the team to emerge. This will allow for more confidence and chemistry in play. Can't have this without offensive identity. What y'all been saying on this board....swagga?
3. We need major OL work. This is LSU's glaring hole. Everything else is pretty much manageable. Both better coaching and better play is needed. Now how to make this happen at this point, right before our big games, IDK. I personally think they need a fire lit under their asses.
4. We need to shed naivity and complacency when we don't perform to our abilities. Yes, 4-0 is nice, but too much talent to play the way we do. Stupid analogy: Our players are honor roll students eeking by Cs just to pass. But let's give it to them....talent is the reason we are 4-0.
2. We need a leader on the team to emerge. This will allow for more confidence and chemistry in play. Can't have this without offensive identity. What y'all been saying on this board....swagga?
3. We need major OL work. This is LSU's glaring hole. Everything else is pretty much manageable. Both better coaching and better play is needed. Now how to make this happen at this point, right before our big games, IDK. I personally think they need a fire lit under their asses.
4. We need to shed naivity and complacency when we don't perform to our abilities. Yes, 4-0 is nice, but too much talent to play the way we do. Stupid analogy: Our players are honor roll students eeking by Cs just to pass. But let's give it to them....talent is the reason we are 4-0.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:49 pm to marklsu
quote:
1. We need to find one offense that works....you'd think we would have found that by now. Too many people are too educated in the game and paid so much not to recognize skill/talent and place it where it is productive, and to hide weaknesses with X and O formulas that work. Everytime we go out there it's like we're watching a coaching experiment. We need identity.
Yep, stop trying different things. Get something that works and stick with it. You can't FIND something that works if you don't commit to it.
quote:
2. We need a leader on the team to emerge. This will allow for more confidence and chemistry in play. Can't have this without offensive identity. What y'all been saying on this board....swagga?
Agreed and like you said, that goes back to point 1. We have to find something that works.
quote:
3. We need major OL work. This is LSU's glaring hole. Everything else is pretty much manageable. Both better coaching and better play is needed. Now how to make this happen at this point, right before our big games, IDK. I personally think they need a fire lit under their asses.
I think the OL would be OK if we would commit to one thing. We're shifting to the spread option. It is supposed to be fast paced and throw people off. Our OL is undersized and that COULD help with lateral movement of the ball, there's a reason we have been most effective running outside.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 1:59 pm to otowntiger
quote:
and which one is that?
Well, since last years offense was also 4-0 at this point, and statistically smoking this years stats, you decide.
883(08) vs 719(09) passing yds
826(08) vs 521(09) rushing yds
because somebody's putting the brakes on an offense whose players are a year older, stronger, & faster
Posted on 9/27/09 at 2:48 pm to TIsuGGER
521 yards rushing.
UW, ULL, Vandy and MSU.
Nothing to see here, move along people or you may be accused of not being a "real" fan.
UW, ULL, Vandy and MSU.
Nothing to see here, move along people or you may be accused of not being a "real" fan.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 2:53 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:
because somebody's putting the brakes on an offense whose players are a year older, stronger, & faster
Has nothing to do with it. If Miles were really 'running the offense' we wouldn't be shifting to this spread option. Depending on which way you look at it the onus lies on Crowton or JJ.
Crowton is trying to do way too many things, running so many different looks, trying to incorporate spread option ball with pro sets won't work.
JJ can't handle the offense in the current state.
Personally I think more is on Crowton. He needs to know his personnel. It isn't a knock on JJ but he can't handle this right now. Simplify and perfect. Consistency is better than creativity.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 2:58 pm to Srbtiger06
Good post.
The anti-Les crowd wants to believe Les is interfering with Crowton.
It's almost an article of faith with the anti-Les "easy answer" crowd, but it's NOT true.
The anti-Les crowd wants to believe Les is interfering with Crowton.
It's almost an article of faith with the anti-Les "easy answer" crowd, but it's NOT true.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 3:23 pm to Lsupimp
That is all well and good, but Miles is the head coach and is responsible for all other coaches decisions. So if things are not working he is utimately the one to blame.
BTW I love this site. A great thread gets started stating facts as to how below avg LSU has been on offense and the P&G glasses wearing, Miles' Aid drinking, know nothings continue to argue the point with "well at least we are 4-0, be happy". More often than not many top 30 schools that play the first four games LSU has will be 4-0 or 3-1 at worst. They refuse to look at the overall big picture of things that show how anemic this team really is. And that after a couple of more weeks I am sure their tunes will change.
BTW I love this site. A great thread gets started stating facts as to how below avg LSU has been on offense and the P&G glasses wearing, Miles' Aid drinking, know nothings continue to argue the point with "well at least we are 4-0, be happy". More often than not many top 30 schools that play the first four games LSU has will be 4-0 or 3-1 at worst. They refuse to look at the overall big picture of things that show how anemic this team really is. And that after a couple of more weeks I am sure their tunes will change.
This post was edited on 9/27/09 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 9/27/09 at 3:36 pm to Srbtiger06
quote:
JJ can't handle the offense in the current state.
Its blantantly obvious that after the crap JLee went through last year, somebody is holding down the passing game. LSUs top ranked receiver is 65th in the nation, against very weak teams.
Punishment for all the bitching, poor routes, bad attitudes, and lack of hustle on the picks?
Posted on 9/27/09 at 3:38 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
Punishment for all the bitching, poor routes, bad attitudes, and lack of hustle on the picks?
No it is just the growing pains you go through when transitioning to a new offense.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 3:39 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
Are yards more important than points?
yards (esp ypp) are indicative of your offensive efficiency
quote:
Are stats more important than wins?
we've played 3 horrible teams, possibly 4 so far
wins > losses, but we've struggled in what is essentially our preseason
Posted on 9/27/09 at 4:28 pm to lsu mike
The biggest gripe I have about our team is that Miles specifically stated that this was his "best" line since he's been here. Another week of poor play and we get the same song of we need to get it corrected. Same with the delay of game.
Crowton is really, really pissing me off. I agree with everyone that we are running too many plays poorly rather than a handful well. I was figuring that our first three games we would try and figure out what plays were working with our personnel and then refine those plays. Instead, I see consistently terrible play calling that disallows any momentum on offense. We score on big plays and bog down the rest of the time.
The only time we seem to have any running threat of success is with Shepard. I can't for the life of me understand why he doesn't get more touches. Every touch Holliday gets should instead go to Shepard. Use Holliday as a decoy if you want, but he has consistently proven he cannot break takles, or even juke anyone.
I am from the mindset that you keep doing what works until a defense stops it. Case in point: Shepard. Zero touches in second half? WTF???
Running the option to the short side of the field is one of the WORST play calls we have. It hasn't been successful, yet we still run it. This is poor coaching. Crowton needs to shape up. A poor play call perfectly executed still results in a poor play. I mean the other team's best defense is mostly our own play calling.
At the end of the day we are 4-0 and Miles keeps winning despite himself. We shouldn't be this sloppy at this point. We just need to simplify and be disciplined for F(*&;s sake!
Crowton is really, really pissing me off. I agree with everyone that we are running too many plays poorly rather than a handful well. I was figuring that our first three games we would try and figure out what plays were working with our personnel and then refine those plays. Instead, I see consistently terrible play calling that disallows any momentum on offense. We score on big plays and bog down the rest of the time.
The only time we seem to have any running threat of success is with Shepard. I can't for the life of me understand why he doesn't get more touches. Every touch Holliday gets should instead go to Shepard. Use Holliday as a decoy if you want, but he has consistently proven he cannot break takles, or even juke anyone.
I am from the mindset that you keep doing what works until a defense stops it. Case in point: Shepard. Zero touches in second half? WTF???
Running the option to the short side of the field is one of the WORST play calls we have. It hasn't been successful, yet we still run it. This is poor coaching. Crowton needs to shape up. A poor play call perfectly executed still results in a poor play. I mean the other team's best defense is mostly our own play calling.
At the end of the day we are 4-0 and Miles keeps winning despite himself. We shouldn't be this sloppy at this point. We just need to simplify and be disciplined for F(*&;s sake!
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