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re: Will this be our worst recruiting class of the millennium ?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:05 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:05 pm to Tiger Ree
I think that stars do matter and in general they are a good indication of the potential of players, but there are some things that people overlook because of stars.
First, not all high star prospects transition well to the college game. That is where you see most of the 5 Star busts.
2nd, The development a player receives by facing stronger competition. Jacoby Stevens was a higher ranked player than Grant Delpit but is playing ahead of him. It is hard to prove but IMO I think it is due to the level of competition he faced at IMG.
3rd, Some postions don't lend themselves to easily receive higher stars. You are not likely going to find a 5 star center.
Lastly, Some players develope at different times. Some become 5 stars in high school due to early growth and developement, while some 3 & 4 stars will eventually gain 5 star ability later in college.
So yes stars are important but do not tell the whole tale when it comes to recruits.
First, not all high star prospects transition well to the college game. That is where you see most of the 5 Star busts.
2nd, The development a player receives by facing stronger competition. Jacoby Stevens was a higher ranked player than Grant Delpit but is playing ahead of him. It is hard to prove but IMO I think it is due to the level of competition he faced at IMG.
3rd, Some postions don't lend themselves to easily receive higher stars. You are not likely going to find a 5 star center.
Lastly, Some players develope at different times. Some become 5 stars in high school due to early growth and developement, while some 3 & 4 stars will eventually gain 5 star ability later in college.
So yes stars are important but do not tell the whole tale when it comes to recruits.
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Posted on 10/31/17 at 3:21 pm to The Mick
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No one was talking about the 2014 class. If you're going to use data to prove your point then at least make it somewhat believable. Singling out one class and a few players is ignorant.
It is what it is. I just happened to know the numbers for the 2014 class. I'm sure there are others like it.
I also used the fact that every single 3-star freshman from this class has played at one time or another in the first eight games this season. At least two have started and one has scored a touchdown - may be the only true freshman to do so.
It will be a couple few years to know the results on this class though. Hopefully the 5's, 4's and 3's all stay and have long successful careers for LSU.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 7:57 pm to Mrs. Amaro
Not even gonna read just gonna downvote & move on 
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:26 am to CatsGoneWild
Don't know that it means anything, but Wisconsin is undefeated and highly ranked, yet their recruiting for 2018 is ranked in the 30's with like 1 4* and 17 3*'s. It is true we have had highly rated classes and filled the NFL with stars, but how much success have we had on the field. I am hoping that this staff is just really good at finding less known, but quality players. Maybe with time this class will look pretty good.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:56 pm to Datbayoubengal
Which of the 3 stars would ya ll want bumped out of this class?
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:58 pm to Mrs. Amaro
Pooka Williams is just rated a 3 star. Does that mean we do not want?
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/1/17 at 1:09 pm to boxcar willie
Lower rank but the trend will be a better team. A team is only as strong as the weakest link, sorta. Continually having gray ranking classes but continually neglecting or missingcertain groups does not lead to hardware.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 1:13 pm to Tiger Ree
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I was just pointing out that for the 2014 class it is a fallacy to think that on a percentage basis that the 4&5 stars were more productive for LSU than the 3 stars. It's a fact that they weren't.
Again, this is what we call a microcosm, a single case, not something over time. OVER TIME the NFL and practically every measure you can come up with shows 5 and 4 stars absolutely have higher hit rates than 3 stars. Do yo usee teams full of 3 stars winning national titles? Do you see teams full of 3 stars putting 7, 8, 9 players a year into the NFL?
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LSU hasn't necessarily followed suit with the NFL. LSU has a lot of transfers including 5-stars Clifton Garrett from 2014, Tyron Johnson from 2015 and Saivion Smith from 2016. That's just the 5-stars, there was a lot more attrition among the 4's. In 2015 LSU had 2 5-stars total that signed, one left. I don't think players can transfer in the NFL.
Want to guess how many players we'd be putting in the NFL if we primarily just got 3-stars vs. 4's and 5's? I'll give you a hint - not nearly as much as we are now.
Break down our players drafted by the NFL and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. 7 of 8 last year drafted were 4 or 5 stars. 3 of 5 in 2016. 3 of 4 in 2015. 8 of 9 in 2014.
So 21 of our 26 draftees the last 4 drafts have been a 4 or 5 star. That's 81% of our draftees being a 4 or 5 star. We have never had 81% or close to that of the entire team made up of 4 or 5 stars compared to 3 stars. This season it's 62% of the team made up of 4 or 5 stars. Side note, Alabama by comparison has 82% of their team made up of 4 and 5 stars, which is sick, and understandable how they are railroading everyone they play. They just have way more talent.
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Again, for the NFL I totally agree.
...soooo, why would getting more 3 stars be better again? Best players go to the NFL, in case you didn't know.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/1/17 at 1:14 pm to boxcar willie
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Which of the 3 stars would ya ll want bumped out of this class?
I think Griffin goes elsewhere, dont think it will be mutual either, he's been visiting back up schools like Georgia State. HE was part of the Rome trio package deal and now he's the only one left. He's a 5'11 undersized DE in our scheme, just doesnt really fit. Seems we want Michael Williams and the kid who just decommitted from A&M on the DL to close out there.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/1/17 at 1:29 pm to Mrs. Amaro
Stop the madness we will be in the top 10!
We will finish strong with quality players, Top DB class and Top WR's from in-state. 5* & 4* will bump that average up. I'm for more fill needs with quality players.
We will finish strong with quality players, Top DB class and Top WR's from in-state. 5* & 4* will bump that average up. I'm for more fill needs with quality players.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 1:56 pm to thunderbird1100
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Again, this is what we call a microcosm, a single case, not something over time.
I'm not sure you understand what a microcosm is unless you are agreeing with TigerRee.
Microcosm - a community, place, or situation regarded as encapsulating in miniature the characteristic qualities or features of something much larger.
In other words a smaller sample which is representative of the larger whole.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 2:02 pm to lsupicker
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Don't know that it means anything, but Wisconsin is undefeated and highly ranked, yet their recruiting for 2018 is ranked in the 30's with like 1 4* and 17 3*'s. It is true we have had highly rated classes and filled the NFL with stars, but how much success have we had on the field. I am hoping that this staff is just really good at finding less known, but quality players. Maybe with time this class will look pretty good
And what happens when they play Ohio St. or Penn St. in the B10 championship? They get exposed by better athletes.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 2:12 pm to lsupicker
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Don't know that it means anything, but Wisconsin is undefeated and highly ranked, yet their recruiting for 2018 is ranked in the 30's with like 1 4* and 17 3*'s. It is true we have had highly rated classes and filled the NFL with stars, but how much success have we had on the field. I am hoping that this staff is just really good at finding less known, but quality players. Maybe with time this class will look pretty good.
Wisconsin's played absolutely nobody so far.
Utah State
Florida Atlantic
BYU
Northwestern
Nebraska
Purdue
Maryland
Illinois
Really terrible schedule. It doesn't get much tougher for them either with Indiana, Iowa, Michigan and Minnesota left. I will be surprised if they aren't beat down badly in the Big 10 CCG. Assuming they make it there. The Big Ten West is the worst power 5 division in college football right down there with the SEC East.
Wisconsin is great at winning like 10 games but never anything of significance.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 2:30 pm to ShreveportTiger1987
quote:calm down this is the recruiting board, this is a legitimate question
Gahh grow some nuts and stop crying. It's October.. give it time. I think we finish top 12. Which, imo, with everything that's been going on, is pretty good. But that's just me.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 3:25 pm to lsupicker
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Don't know that it means anything, but Wisconsin is undefeated and highly ranked, yet their recruiting for 2018 is ranked in the 30's with like 1 4* and 17 3*'s. It is true we have had highly rated classes and filled the NFL with stars, but how much success have we had on the field. I am hoping that this staff is just really good at finding less known, but quality players. Maybe with time this class will look pretty good.
if lsu played wisconsin schedule with les miles team he would have the same record
Posted on 11/1/17 at 3:26 pm to DowntownDBrown
why are people are conceding being out the top 10 when the main reason we brought in this coach was because he could recruit and this will be our worst rankings in recruiting with a decade.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 4:27 pm to Roaring Cowboy
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why are people are conceding being out the top 10
I think there's a clear path to the top ten and in looking at the 247 class calculator, I think we'll end up in the 260-270 range. I would think this gets us around 8 or 9.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:50 am to thunderbird1100
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I think Griffin goes elsewhere, dont think it will be mutual either, he's been visiting back up schools like Georgia State. HE was part of the Rome trio package deal and now he's the only one left. He's a 5'11 undersized DE in our scheme, just doesnt really fit.
I think he was the lowest priority of the Rome package deal and he's on the bubble, SEC-quality wise as it is. With the others going to SEC East schools, I see him ending up at Georgia State or Troy. He was always going to be a reach, although I will say - despite being on the smallish side, the kid is a hard worker and plays really hard.
Is going to be a fine player for somebody, I just don't think it will be in the SEC.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:57 pm to FLObserver
What about Tommy Robinson????
He’s undoubtedly one of the best recruiters in football
He’s undoubtedly one of the best recruiters in football
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:02 pm to Tiger Ree
This post sums it up. We are recruiting to needs due to Louisiana being weak on recruits this year. Pipelines are also being laid for next year which should be Orgeron and co.’s crown jewel class
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