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Why do we oversign?

Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:21 pm
Posted by tailg8r
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Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:21 pm
I really wish we wouldn't, it makes us look bad. Why do we repeatedly do it?
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6634 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:21 pm to
because everyone does it
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:26 pm to
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I really wish everyone wouldn't, it makes everyone look bad.


FIFY
Posted by Tiger Phanatick
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2008
4103 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:27 pm to
Its like a try out system the way i see. Sign as many as you want.

The weak will fall out and move around. Only the strong survive. Its a form of cheating IMO. but if its legal do it to stay competitive.

But at this rate we will have 7-10 guys every year leaving our program. Seeing Matt Allen start for TEx Ags was a brutal reminder of how much talent we have. (although I think he would have started for us this year nad possibly last but I dont know where he was on the depth chart before bailing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423294 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:29 pm to
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Why do we oversign?

calhoun
chris toliver
chris davenport
karnell hatcher
theriot
john williams
ricky dixon
ryan periloux
zhamal thomas
derrick odom
Posted by Tiger Phanatick
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2008
4103 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:31 pm to
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calhoun
chris toliver
chris davenport
karnell hatcher
theriot
john williams
ricky dixon
ryan periloux
zhamal thomas
derrick odom


Sad but true. I am not giving up on Davenport yet.

Dixon was an on field bust.

Odum, RP and Thomas were alll disiplinary casualties.

Calhoun too much depth adn competition..

Toliver saw the field. he will be back. Unless his infamous facebook posted went viral and Les told him to move around.
Posted by Angry LLAMA
the energy capital of the world
Member since Mar 2009
2731 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:32 pm to
its kinda the nature of the beast in the SEC. i sure wouldnt mind if they made a much tighter rule to keep everyone from doing it. but as long as others do it, we have to keep up with them

funny thing is- mark richt doesnt over sign at UGA, wheres that getting him now? people arent talking about him being a great guy b/c he doesnt, theyre talking about his arse being scorching hot b/c he doesnt win enough games. winning cures all. the second the record goes south, nothing else matters.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423294 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:33 pm to
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funny thing is- mark richt doesnt over sign at UGA, wheres that getting him now? people arent talking about him being a great guy b/c he doesnt, theyre talking about his arse being scorching hot b/c he doesnt win enough games

same thing happened at USC the past few years

if you don't oversign, you better hit on all of your major recruits, and hope some guys out-shine their stars

if you miss on a few, you have no depth to replace them
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70432 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:34 pm to
Not every kid turns out to have the talent, attitude, drive, or smarts needed to be a productive member of the team. I imagine the coaches are more willing to overlook a slight lack of talent if there are no attitude or effort problems. But the fact remains, some kids choose to do things that make them expendable, and for that reason, we need people to slot in behind them.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 8:41 pm to
because nothing's free in life
Posted by Hand
far side of the moon
Member since Dec 2007
2064 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 10:22 pm to
Because the term is student-athlete and to not be held accountable for both is hypocritical.

Because some guys don’t fully rebound from injury.

Because some guys don’t work for it.

Because some guys put other priorities ahead of working in the classroom and on the field.

Because coaches are projecting how a 16-year old will play when he's 21 or 22-years old.

Because some guys don't have the mental or physical toughness or ability to play a very demanding sport.

Because sometimes you sign a future all-conference player the next class.

Because some guys put everything they have and do all that the coaches ask of them and it's the coaches’ responsibility to be honest and tell the player they’ll have a better chance of playing a game that they love elsewhere.

Because some guys are not okay being role players.

Because you take the best players available.

Because some recruits don't make the grades. Some do.

Because some recruits don't make up their minds or jump ship at the last minute and some media outlets openly encourage and profit from these actions yet vilify coaches that did not want to be left not meeting a position need.

Because when the perfect storm happens and you’ve been burned the year before and surprisingly more than the allowed recruits get eligible, you ask in-state recruits (because of TOPS and hopefully love for the program) or recruits from well-to-do families (to afford a semester of classes) or legacy recruits (because of loyalty) or some combination of the above to gray-shirt to help make the numbers work.

Because ESPfrickingN doesn't know how to properly research a story and because they are in the gossip business instead of real-life-actual sports reporting.
This post was edited on 1/17/11 at 10:24 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84882 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 10:27 pm to
I don't like it either but we have to do what we have to do to keep up with the Bamas of the world
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 10:47 pm to
hey SFP how do you think our recieving corps looks next year?
Posted by TBama93k
Member since Nov 2010
8056 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 10:51 pm to
everyone does it
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
14791 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:24 pm to
Personally, I don't see what's wrong with it.

There are guys each year that "take" a free scholarship, but don't "give" any football production back for a variety of different reasons.

You came here to play football, but you let a girl take you away from class time, or you don't study the playbook, or you don't get in the weight room, or you don't watch your weight, etc...which means you don't progress, which means you don't get on the field, which means you are going taking up a roster spot, and somehow Miles is the snake for telling you that you no longer merit a free education.

Underachieving students lose TOPS scholarships each year, and their parents have to deal with it, but take away a schollie from an athlete who under-performs, and ESPN calls you a liar & a cold-hearted jerk.

Over-signing is insurance from the other slacker-letes who don't live up to their "promise".
Posted by dansr731
Slidell
Member since Dec 2009
589 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:05 am to
Usually all signees don't qualify.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47807 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Why do we overeat?


quote:

I really wish we wouldn't, it makes us look bad. Why do we repeatedly do it?
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123678 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:17 am to
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Toliver saw the field. he will be back. Unless his infamous facebook posted went viral and Les told him to move around


What did he say?
Posted by ANAKINSKY
colorado
Member since Jan 2005
6138 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:18 am to
why does it
quote:

makes us look bad
??

Who thinks it make us look bad? Some dweeb sports writer?
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16768 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 9:24 am to
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I really wish we wouldn't, it makes us look bad. Why do we repeatedly do it?


The real answer to this is extremely simple.

Most of the best recruits are the last to commit often waiting until NSD, and if you fill up before then, you'll never get the best since they wait until NSD.

Conversely, if you leave spots open for the best to commit on NSD, then they dont commit to you, youre left holding available schollys.

You got to try to balance it...
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 9:25 am
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