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re: Top QB Gunner Kiel picks Indiana
Posted on 7/8/11 at 8:54 am to Indiana Tiger
Posted on 7/8/11 at 8:54 am to Indiana Tiger
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About the only advantage Bama would have is competing for championships. Indiana's staff knows how to develop QBs(Bradford, Pat White, Denard Robinson). Kevin Wilson is a hell of an offensive coach
Agreed.
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Posted on 7/8/11 at 10:38 am to Indiana Tiger
You did good with Bradford but then failed mentionig White and Denard, both sorry excuses for a QB. While Wilson is a great coach, Kiel will hardly ever be on National TV if he heads to Indiana
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:08 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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I was wondering more about the bookend tackles. He would have Cyrus Kouandjio and D.J. Fluker for two years together at Alabama.
You're assuming here CK isn't a bust. He could become great but also could be the next Tyler Love.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:52 pm to GeauxAggie972
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Worst move that he could make
Yeah, playing close to home, close to family, playing with a brother, and playing in a very QB friendly system, what a horrible decision.
I'm sure he could care less if he is on TV. In today's game, if you're good NFL scouts will find you.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 1:02 pm to GeauxAggie972
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You did good with Bradford but then failed mentionig White and Denard, both sorry excuses for a QB. While Wilson is a great coach, Kiel will hardly ever be on National TV if he heads to Indiana
Pat White was a phenomenal QB. He wasn't a traditional drop-back passer but.. he got the job done. LSU would have been lucky to have him.
This post was edited on 7/8/11 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/8/11 at 1:07 pm to bmy
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Pat White was a phenomenal QB. He wasn't a traditional drop-back passer but.. he got the job done. LSU would have been lucky to have him
Plus, given how raw he was as a QB coming out of high school - LSU would have only taken him as an ATH - I'd say it's fair to credit his coach as doing a good job molding him into a QB. He was a really great college QB, at least for WVU's system.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 1:11 pm to bmy
Yes, he was great college qb. However, the jury is still out whether he is a great car salesman.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 1:30 pm to GeauxAggie972
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You did good with Bradford but then failed mentionig White and Denard, both sorry excuses for a QB.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 4:00 pm to Indiana Tiger
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About the only advantage Bama would have is competing for championships. Indiana's staff knows how to develop QBs(Bradford, Pat White, Denard Robinson). Kevin Wilson is a hell of an offensive coach. Would you say Kevin Faulk made the worst move he could have made when he chose LSU?
I'd say there are more advantages that just that. Kevin Wilson can tout Sam Bradford all he wants, but he'll never have the talent around his QB that he had at Oklahoma. Meanwhile, Jim McElwain has managed to send two consecutive starting QBs, with far less natural talent than Gunner Kiel, to the NFL.
This post was edited on 7/8/11 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:18 pm to GeauxAggie972
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White and Denard, both sorry excuses for a QB.
Others have said what shouldn't need to be said because this is really dumb.
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Kiel will hardly ever be on National TV if he heads to Indiana
Perhaps not everyone has your sense of what is important.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:35 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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he'll never have the talent around his QB that he had at Oklahoma.
You think he had that level of talent at Northwestern? He was only there for two years but he produced a hell of an offense.
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Jim McElwain
I think McElwain is an outstanding coach but there is no advantage (or disadvantage) here. He will receive outstanding coaching at either place.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:19 pm to Indiana Tiger
We get it, your a big Indiana fan but the truth of the matter is they are not good and will never be a respected college football team. So in this instance, he will get more exposure at Alabama and play vs better opponents year in and year out and that is something that the NFL does like.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 12:40 am to Indiana Tiger
You're crazy if you think Bama doesn't offer him a lot more. He gets national exposure constantly, gets to feel the pressure in playing in front of huge crowds every week and plays against top competition. All these things play heavily into what scouts look at. They're going to raise these questions if he plays at Indiana, even with high numbers. Also, surrounding himself with better talent allows him to show his skillset off better. If he goes to Indiana and his Oline can't block, what good is that going to do him?
Posted on 7/9/11 at 12:52 am to Indiana Tiger
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White and Denard, both sorry excuses for a QB.
No argument there...great athletes? sure, but as someone who needs to lead my team for the win in a 2 minute offense? I can think of 10 guys I would prefer.
ETA - neither are true QBs
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Would you say Kevin Faulk made the worst move he could have made when he chose LSU?
Faulk made the best decision - local athlete who brought back the magic. stayed 4 years to become the all-time sec rusher, returne, 3 time nfl champ, etc.
This post was edited on 7/9/11 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:23 am to LaBornNRaised
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your a big Indiana fan but the truth of the matter is they are not good and will never be a respected college football team.
I just live in Indiana, but I can be an objective thinker. WRT being a consistently good football program, your point is probably true, but maybe not. I haven't followed it at all, but with the big contract money flowing into the Big Ten, maybe they starting to make a commitment. Because their competitive position is so poor, I can't imagine them ever being elite, but they could be competitive.
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he will get more exposure at Alabama and play vs better opponents year in and year out and that is something that the NFL does like.
The exposure and competition in the Big Ten is good enough. You couldn't possibly measure the difference in impact on his draft position (assuming he's good enough).
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:29 am to deuce985
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You're crazy if you think Bama doesn't offer him a lot more. He gets national exposure constantly, gets to feel the pressure in playing in front of huge crowds every week and plays against top competition. All these things play heavily into what scouts look at. They're going to raise these questions if he plays at Indiana, even with high numbers. Also, surrounding himself with better talent allows him to show his skillset off better. If he goes to Indiana and his Oline can't block, what good is that going to do him?
We know the SEC is the preeminent conference, but this isn't the Sun Belt. The exposure, competition, and crowds will be good enough as far as the NFL is concerned.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:47 am to Jedi
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neither are true QBs
They were/are QBs. White was incredibly effective and the jury is still out on Denard, but the point with him is that they got a lot out of him early. Would they be effective in an Alabama style O? Probably not. But the point of listing them was that their coaches made them effective at their position. Isn't that the essence of good coaching?
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Faulk made the best decision - local athlete who brought back the magic. stayed 4 years to become the all-time sec rusher, returne, 3 time nfl champ, etc.
Of course Faulk made a great decision, but at the time LSU was looking like it was going to be an Indiana. Many consider his decision as a key turning point in recruiting. Maybe, even though the odds are against it, Kiel will have the same effect for them.
Columbus, IN is closer to Bloomington than Breaux Bridge is to Baton Rouge. What's crazy is thinking this is worst decision he could make. Some people have different values, not better or worse, but different.
Posted on 7/27/11 at 2:07 pm to Indiana Tiger
Kiel to IU
Posted on 7/27/11 at 2:09 pm to MagillaGuerilla
HOLY frick ! there is a Jedi in this thread
Posted on 7/27/11 at 2:10 pm to MagillaGuerilla
good pick-up. better than at 0klahoma 
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