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re: Strategy Question: recruiting lesser talent that "fits" our scheme under O
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm assuming a lot of these guys will be moving up the recruiting rankings as play unfolds. As Duckie mentioned it looks like a down year in louisiana so if he can pull a top 5 to 7 class i think we all should be really happy. Especially if that class is addressing holes.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:54 am to BilJ
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Who is this ?
yeah that's the first Max post i can ever remember without some sarcasm/snark
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:54 am to GumboPot
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We are typing here on a message board trying to nail down CEO's recruiting and team building philosophy and what we nail down this year may be totally different next year. IMO CEO's recruiting philosophy is probably driven by the talent available. Especially given the fact that Louisiana is not totally loaded this year is probably why we are offering more three stars early this year. This could be a really nice core group of guys in 4 to 5 years. Given that Louisiana is pretty stacked next year, recruiting will probably look totally different.
This makes too much sense to those looking to criticize any and every thing CEO does because they dislike the hire.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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what if O can't make it 4 years?
If he's building a roster for 4 years down the road but he gets fired before then? Well, whoever takes over will have a stacked roster.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:It's not lesser talent. It's just you "fans" have lesser understanding and insight (you're ignorant).
lesser talent
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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just to be clear, i made this thread after reading the thread re: the H-back
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i'm not saying he's "not good enough" but we can be left in a bind down the road
These statements contradict
"(2) he would recruit on Bama's level"
"aren't we potentially severely screwing up our future viability by having below-LSU talent?
"the ultimate question is always, "are we taking steps to get on Bama's level?" and this recruiting cycle seems to answer "no" to that"
these comments. Sounds like you are saying he's not good enough and the offensive players recruited aren't good enough.
Jimbo fisher recruited a lot of H backs. He used them as te's, h back, and full backs. Richard Dixon is a prime example. Not concerned at all. An H back is a versatile player that can play multiple positions in multiple schemes.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:02 am to martiallaw
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Do you really think Coach O is passing on 4 and 5 star recruits and instead getting 3 stars so they will stay for 4 years?
No.
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The reason our class is loaded with 3 stars is because he hasn't had any luck pulling the 5 stars this year.
And we still have a long way to go.
In terms of 5 stars I think we pull Patrick Surtain Jr. and Terrace Marshall.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:04 am to GumboPot
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And we still have a long way to go.
And geography doesn't favor us in this class like it normally does. It's going to be more difficult for us to pull a top tier class without Louisiana producing a large number of top tier players.
I agree we get the two you named though.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
I know this stems from the current 3-star issue, but I'm not sold that this team is trending downward in overall talent.
1. The book isn't closed on this class yet, and I'm much more comfortable with "stars" in October or November than I am in May or June.
2. Talent across the field simply isn't the issue with LSU's success (or lack) over the past 30 years, even. It's talent at QB. It's easy to imagine championships raining down on teams with just a little better QB play most years we are "down."
3. In February, we closed the book on a very impressive class (O's first), any way we want to look at it.
I disagree with your analysis that this is a "no".
One only has to look at the offer sheets for Tae Provens or Chris Curry, just as 2 "3-star" commits on the current list to see that there might be more to the eye at this point. Roughly half the 3-star commits fall into this category.
Now - there are some guys on the list (the other half of the 3-star commits) that are head scratchers - but I haven't interviewed them, measured them, timed them, broken down their film like an expert does. But, we have a number of those in every class. Most schools do.
1. The book isn't closed on this class yet, and I'm much more comfortable with "stars" in October or November than I am in May or June.
2. Talent across the field simply isn't the issue with LSU's success (or lack) over the past 30 years, even. It's talent at QB. It's easy to imagine championships raining down on teams with just a little better QB play most years we are "down."
3. In February, we closed the book on a very impressive class (O's first), any way we want to look at it.
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"are we taking steps to get on Bama's level?"
I disagree with your analysis that this is a "no".
One only has to look at the offer sheets for Tae Provens or Chris Curry, just as 2 "3-star" commits on the current list to see that there might be more to the eye at this point. Roughly half the 3-star commits fall into this category.
Now - there are some guys on the list (the other half of the 3-star commits) that are head scratchers - but I haven't interviewed them, measured them, timed them, broken down their film like an expert does. But, we have a number of those in every class. Most schools do.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Don't we just label a short TE a Hback now? frick there are a bunch of shorter TEs in the league now.
I don't understand acting like we've signed an option QB.
That being said the current staff has to recruit their guys. They shouldn't consider what might happen after they leave.
I don't understand acting like we've signed an option QB.
That being said the current staff has to recruit their guys. They shouldn't consider what might happen after they leave.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:13 am to martiallaw
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Bottom line is this class will probably be around 16-17 3 stars. That is not going to cut it in the SEC.
I'm thankful we have had Travis daniels, Tyson Jackson, Ali Highsmith, Jack Hunt, Morris Claiborne, Jacob hester, Brandon Lafell, Duke Riley, Ciron Black, Benny Logan, Kelvin Sheppard, Perry Riley, J.D. Moore, D.J. Chark, Foster Moreau, among others.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:16 am to martiallaw
What players don't you like?
Go on record here or stfu
Go on record here or stfu
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:19 am to martiallaw
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Now it is Coach O is passing on the 5 stars to recruit hard working 3 stars. Bottom line is this class will probably be around 16-17 3 stars. That is not going to cut it in the SEC.
It's funny that people think a guy who has been recruiting at a high level his whole career suddenly has no idea what he is doing.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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5.34 40 and his SPARQ was 59.46 (the worst at the testing was 55.74 and the best was 1302.6, Javian Hawkins)
I wonder when he was tested
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:24 am to Lester Earl
He won't go on record because he hasn't watched their film. He's only looked at 247s stars.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:25 am to Lester Earl
Yeah the TE had an Ohio state offer plus auburn, Tennessee etc and one rantard said his tape looked like Tyler Edwards.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
History shows Austin & Coach O have an eye for talent.
History also shows that Aranda and Canada have turned 3-star players at lesser programs into all-conference studs.
That said, I thought the plan for bringing in brilliant coordinators was to finally see their schemes executed by 4 & 5-star SEC talent. ???
History also shows that Aranda and Canada have turned 3-star players at lesser programs into all-conference studs.
That said, I thought the plan for bringing in brilliant coordinators was to finally see their schemes executed by 4 & 5-star SEC talent. ???
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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the ultimate question is always, "are we taking steps to get on Bama's level?" and this recruiting cycle seems to answer "no" to that
You're way over thinking it. This isn't a "strategy" that's being employed, its the culmination of a few factors.
1) LA is experiencing a very down year in terms of talent. 2019 is a banner year, perhaps one of the best ever. It happens.
2) O was retained to mitigate the effect of turnover and uncertainty, but he can do only that, mitigate it. This staff has a lot of new faces and titles. No one really knows what to expect from a program standpoint. He can only sell so much on a hypothetical. Once the season gets going and kids and parents can see first hand how the program operates, more questions will be answered.
3) This is an extension of 2, but is big enough to warrant it's own reason. Frank left roughly two and a half years ago. Frank was the fricking man. He was the one who got into the barber shops, porches, and livingrooms when these kids were in 9th grade and planted the seed. It's no coincidence we're having a down year when Frank left about the time these kids were freshman and sophomores. O is that guy now, but it takes time to build the reputation and report with communities. Staff stability is increasingly important as recruiting becomes more of a 4 year deal. You brought up Bama, even with the pedigree they're finally starting to feel the effects of turnover while Ohio State is coming into their own.
Again, 2019 will be one of if not the best class LSU has ever had. This isn't something Orgeron is consciously deciding to do, it's the hand he's been dealt for now. You have schollys to give away, so roll the dice and hope a few of those three stars give you great longterm depth and a couple turn out to be players.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:56 am to Duckie
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e won't go on record because he hasn't watched their film. He's only looked at 247s stars.
You guys just want names so you can play gotcha later on. The concern isn't any one player, even the "expert" coaches will take some kid that busts and passes on some 2* that winds up in CUSA or the Sun Belt and gets drafted in the first round. The concern is the cumulative total. Its been proven time and again that a higher percentage of 4 and 5*'s pan out than 3*. The teams that compete at a high level generally are teams that consistently rank in the top recruiting classes.
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