re: Sore losers at irishenvy lot of BS!

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Link or GTFO. Most of the Kiel thread I read was very respectful about the whole thing. when a few idiots took shots @ GK or LSU they self-policed their own quite well.


Oh shite, they so jelly!!!


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I don't think anybody should feel put out by Kiel's actions. He looked at his options and made what he feels is the best decision for him. I am pretty sure Gunner Kiel expects to be an NFLer so the relative value of an LSU and ND degrees were probably not that important to him. LSU is one of the top teams in the most highly respected conference in the country so, I am pretty sure he will get the attention he needs. LSU has produced a #1 draft pick qb only a few of years ago so they can obviously develop talent down there. Best of luck to him.
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That's my impression too. I think they're a pretty good group. The OP is just the kind of fan we don't need to be on that board representing LSU.

frick you i graduated in gs from lsu and have my own business where i do all the hiring.

The high character guys will be able to get jobs when their playing days are over. A lot of them will play pro ball somewhere.

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For a moment there I thought you had really posted a valid and verified source and it turns out that the survey is based on PayScale An online site that doesn't verify any of the following
-school
-degree
-company/workplace
-job title/position
-salary

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The study, by PayScale, uses pay reports from 1.4 million graduates from U.S. colleges and universities supplied through online pay comparison tools in the past year. The study used pay reports from only full-time U.S. employees with bachelors degrees and no advanced degrees, and pay reports averaged about 1,000 for each of the 554 schools in the study.

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Please explain what you find to be illogical about the list.

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Sore losers at irishenvy lot of BS!

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I think their numbers are off not a little, but a lot.

I did some quick math and they are showing many colleges worth less than the average worker makes a year. And ND degree is only worth 385k more than the average worker over 30 years.

The figures factor in cost of the degree and it is over and above what a typical worker with a high school diploma would earn over thirty years. So as an example, on average, a football grad from LSU would make $600k more over 30 years than a worker with just a HS diploma.

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So this "study" is the end-all-be-all of demographic marketing research for student-athletes?
True, Notre Dame has higher """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""ADMISSIONS"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
standards than large state schools, but that is about it. What you are not taking into account is:
LSU is a Tier I Institution that has several Top 20 programs such as: Veterinary Medicine, Petroleum Engineering, Landscape Architecture, Internal Auditing, Meteorological and Hurricane Engineering Studies, AgriBusiness, Geology, Entrepreneurship Management, etc. numerous top 40 programs in Music and Dramatic Arts, Chemical Engineering, The Ourso MBA Program, the Mnaship School of Mass Communications, Agronomy, Geophysics, Architecture, etc.

It is one of 30 Land, Sea, and Environment Grant Institutions.
It has the top Student-Athlete Academic Center in the NATION.
It is one of the top Research institutions in the world and has been bestowed that designation by Carnegie Foundation.
It has the multi-billion dollar Pennington Biomedical Research Center that runs circles around other medical research facilities.


I just don't get this superiority bullshite. LSU has Ph.D. Professors instructing in buildings on Dalrymple Drive and Highland Road. Notre Dame has Ph.D. professors instructing in South Bend.
What makes Notre Dame THAT much better ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Gunner is thinking NFL....not trying to be an accountant or a bioligist...

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I just don't get were they can think their degree is better than another schools degree

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If you don't think that a Notre Dame degree has more value than an LSU degree outside of Louisiana than you are borderline retarded. I LOVE LSU and have a bachelor's degree from there but am not insane enough to suggest an ND degree isn't better in the eyes of an employer. Notre Dame is a very prestigious degree to hold.

....But if God told Kiel to go to LSU, he is the best practical joker in the universe!!!

This guy has intimate knowledge of God. If so, maybe he should ask God why He has been playing so many practical jokes on ND in recent years.

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The study, by PayScale, uses pay reports from 1.4 million graduates from U.S. colleges and universities supplied through online pay comparison tools in the past year. The study used pay reports from only full-time U.S. employees with bachelors degrees and no advanced degrees, and pay reports averaged about 1,000 for each of the 554 schools in the study.

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I am replying since there is a very small possibility that you are naive and actually serious about wanting to know (and not a subtle flamer).
The underlined portion is the main reason all of this is bunkum nonsense. The data is not validated, anyone can claim any school/job/position and salary.
They don't ask for authentication, neither is there any ways to validate it ( which is what makes it worse). If you are a true Harvard graduate, they don't have a way to verify it even if you provide any proof.

For any study to be even valid it has to have proper sources for the data and that has not been the case here.

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If you don't think that a Notre Dame degree has more value than an LSU degree outside of Louisiana than you are borderline retarded. I LOVE LSU and have a bachelor's degree from there but am not insane enough to suggest an ND degree isn't better in the eyes of an employer. Notre Dame is a very prestigious degree to hold.

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Most degrees are local (10 states max) in terms of academic recognition and value except for the few exceptions - Ivy Leagues, MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Rice, Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon, Johns Hopkins, and maybe throw in some public schools -Maryland (college park),Illinois (urbana champagne), Wisconsin(madison).

When it comes to hiring a fresh graduate, outside of the zone of a good school , the recognition factor in terms of more gravitas to the degree is not that high as to make a great difference.
It is usually an ice breaker in a conversation - I might comment about ND's football or Duke's basketball but that is it - I am not going to look at him any differently than I would the guy from Iowa.

When you are not a fresh graduate looking for a job, it is your previous employment that helps you and the school degree is not very helpful unless if the company founder is an alumnus and wants to help out his school.

In these days of micro specialization and students combining working/interning outside of school, there is more importance given to his abilities and how he does in the interview than a degree.

You may be absolutely right but I could not find much on him. I checked the football recruiting forum and the only post I saw was one that said "Kiel is out"