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Sore losers at irishenvy lot of BS!
Posted on 12/28/11 at 8:08 am
Posted on 12/28/11 at 8:08 am
What a bunch of sore losers at ND. Irishenvy blog bashing Kiel for pick Lsu when they admit they only got 16 commits so far. Stuff like Lsu degree is worthless etc, all it really shows is how stupid and arrogant they are. Once you in the real world the paper on the wall means nothing either you produce or you don't.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 8:10 am to tigerprl
quote:
What a bunch of sore losers at ND. Irishenvy blog
So no quotes or links? Solid post buddy
Posted on 12/28/11 at 8:12 am to tigerprl
Link or GTFO. Most of the Kiel thread I read was very respectful about the whole thing. when a few idiots took shots @ GK or LSU they self-policed their own quite well.
Oh shite, they so jelly!!!
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Oh shite, they so jelly!!!
quote:
I don't think anybody should feel put out by Kiel's actions. He looked at his options and made what he feels is the best decision for him. I am pretty sure Gunner Kiel expects to be an NFLer so the relative value of an LSU and ND degrees were probably not that important to him. LSU is one of the top teams in the most highly respected conference in the country so, I am pretty sure he will get the attention he needs. LSU has produced a #1 draft pick qb only a few of years ago so they can obviously develop talent down there. Best of luck to him.
:omg:
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 8:24 am
Posted on 12/28/11 at 8:50 am to tigerprl
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Stuff like Lsu degree is worthless
really? how so? I just don't get were they can think their degree is better than another schools degree. I'm a manager of engineering for a global company and when I look at resumes of engineers to hire, I never think "oh, they went to (name of school here)" and think they must be good because of were they went to school. Some of the best engineers we have came from Lamar in Beaumont.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 8:51 am to Honkus
I think one of the things that got in the way for Notre Dame is the fact that they hired three coaches that were 'blockbusters' according to them.
But their mega-hires kept floudering (Ha! Charlie Weis...Flounder..get it?). So it becomes apparent to college football fans and HS players that ND is on the denoument of its current football life.
Had Kiel gone to ND, he may have gone the way of:
Jimmy Clausen
Dayne Christ
Paulus (spelling)
etc.
They are all still good qb's. It's just that the entire team around them really, really sucks.
But their mega-hires kept floudering (Ha! Charlie Weis...Flounder..get it?). So it becomes apparent to college football fans and HS players that ND is on the denoument of its current football life.
Had Kiel gone to ND, he may have gone the way of:
Jimmy Clausen
Dayne Christ
Paulus (spelling)
etc.
They are all still good qb's. It's just that the entire team around them really, really sucks.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 9:04 am to ultratiger89
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Stuff like Lsu degree is worthless
Again, I will say.
This is America, and state supported schools are terrific places to get an education; especially flagship univ's. ND overvalues their educations like Bama counts national titles.
How may CEO's actually went to ND (as if they were as prestigious as the Ivy League, Duke, Wake, etc)?
You have to prove to employers that you:
Went to class
Worked two jobs
Had a good time (you're awkward if you didn't)
Graduated with a 2.8 or better
Or in Gunner Kiel's place, he has to prove that he went to LSU to play superior competition in PRACTICE and the FIELD.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 9:21 am to dstone12
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Graduated with a 3.2 or better
and preferably an internship in your field. hell, I wouldn't even interview me under the constraints we now have on new hires out of college Glad I got in when I did!
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:31 am to tigerprl
quote:
What a bunch of sore losers at ND. Irishenvy blog bashing Kiel for pick Lsu when they admit they only got 16 commits so far. Stuff like Lsu degree is worthless etc, all it really shows is how stupid and arrogant they are. Once you in the real world the paper on the wall means nothing either you produce or you don't.
If Kiel picked ND I guarantee there would be posters on this board saying he will amount to nothing there and it is where "5 star QBs go to die." The ones that are saying it are just bitter that he picked LSU, it has nothing to do with arrogance.
Kiel said academics were a top priority and by picking LSU over ND and Vandy it gives the impression that academics were not as high an importance as he said.
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:33 am to Random LSU Hero
think the thing that I really don't understand is why any young man capable of thinking out beyond five years would ever commit to an SEC school not named 'Vanderbilt' or possibly 'Florida' when he had the option to go to a school where a degree was at the minimum worth the paper it was printed on. Just for fun I was looking up the majors of kids in the SEC championship game as they were mentioned by the commentators. I got through twelve kids before I saw one that wasn't majoring in "general studies." At least if a recruit commits to Michigan, or to Northwestern, or even Ohio State, there's some degree of potential for them to get a good education if they want it. The coach is committing to give them a scholarship for the years it takes for them to earn their degree and isn't going to take it from them just because the next best thing comes along. I understand that some kids don't want to go to the toughest academic school around. That's perfectly understandable. Stanford and Notre Dame are not for everyone. However, I would not hire an LSU general studies major to pump my gas. The NFL isn't a sure thing, and even if it were, the ultimate bankruptcy rate of NFL players is astounding. I get that LSU is winning right now. I understand that they have achieved this without a world beater at QB, and that Kiel has strong potential to be just such a world beater. But as they say, it's not a four year decision, it's a forty. And this is a decision I do not get.
LINK
page 424 yeah they got almost 500 pages of BS post too.
LINK
page 424 yeah they got almost 500 pages of BS post too.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:34 am to GoldenITF
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Kiel said academics were a top priority and by picking LSU over ND and Vandy it gives the impression that academics were not as high an importance as he said.
What if he plans to major in petroleum engineering?
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:35 am to ultratiger89
And as far as an ND or Vandy degree being more valuable than an LSU degree I offer you this:
30 year Football player ROI:
2. Notre Dame $1,575,183
5. Vanderbilt $1,028,732
28. LSU $628,705
30 year Football player ROI:
2. Notre Dame $1,575,183
5. Vanderbilt $1,028,732
28. LSU $628,705
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:39 am to tigerprl
Yea that guy has 15 posts over the last year. You are right he represents the whole board there.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:42 am to GoldenITF
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And as far as an ND or Vandy degree being more valuable than an LSU degree I offer you this:
30 year Football player ROI:
2. Notre Dame $1,575,183
5. Vanderbilt $1,028,732
28. LSU $628,705
This seems more like a case of lies, damned lies and statistics.
Can you please provide a link to this study?
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:03 am to Honkus
After GK makes about $150 mil in the NFL he can go to Harvard, Yale or Stanford - law school, med school or where ever he wants.
I would make the money and then work on my education like another LSU QB from Indiana did.
He has the rest of his life to educate himself, but only a few short years to play FB.
You really have to throw the "quality of the degree" argument out the window.
I would make the money and then work on my education like another LSU QB from Indiana did.
He has the rest of his life to educate himself, but only a few short years to play FB.
You really have to throw the "quality of the degree" argument out the window.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:04 am to CalTiger
quote:
This seems more like a case of lies, damned lies and statistics. Can you please provide a link to this study?
Using this
LINK
and pulling out only football schools and adjusting the GSR (Graduation Success Rate) to football players only (actually turns out to be more favorable for ND, LSU, and Vandy), you get this:
LINK
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:09 am to SOL
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After GK makes about $150 mil in the NFL he can go to Harvard, Yale or Stanford - law school, med school or where ever he wants.
I would make the money and then work on my education like another LSU QB from Indiana did.
He has the rest of his life to educate himself, but only a few short years to play FB.
You really have to throw the "quality of the degree" argument out the window.
Barring injuries and that he lives up to the expectation of course.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:10 am to SOL
Every time I wander over to another school's fan board, the more I appreciate TD.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:24 am to GoldenITF
GoldenITF
I think their numbers are off not a little, but a lot.
I did some quick math and they are showing many colleges worth less than the average worker makes a year. And ND degree is only worth 385k more than the average worker over 30 years.
I think their numbers are off not a little, but a lot.
I did some quick math and they are showing many colleges worth less than the average worker makes a year. And ND degree is only worth 385k more than the average worker over 30 years.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:35 am to GoldenITF
quote:
Using this
LINK
and pulling out only football schools and adjusting the GSR (Graduation Success Rate) to football players only (actually turns out to be more favorable for ND, LSU, and Vandy), you get this:
LINK
For a moment there I thought you had really posted a valid and verified source and it turns out that the survey is based on PayScale
An online site that doesn't verify any of the following
-school
-degree
-company/workplace
-job title/position
-salary
I can't believe that
1. Bloomberg/Businessweek is basing surveys on online website feedback.
2. The Frightened Irish are reduced to this - using PayScale.com to justify why recruits should go play for ND.
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 11:36 am
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