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lsukingcfb1
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
Ok!! Berry, Martinez, Gaye, Jackson. Get em outta here!

Bookmark that son!


Buckeye Jeaux
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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Ok!! Berry, Martinez, Gaye, Jackson. Get em outta here!

Again, we're talking about O-Line being very difficult to value at the high school level. Other position groups are much easier to evaluate.
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bondbyblood
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
What about Willie Allen? He was rated a 5* until he was continuously abused camp after camp and they had no choice but to drop him in the rankings. Also the Nigerian we signed was also pegged a 5*. offensive lineman he wasn’t very good either


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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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Ben Coleman you come off as not very smart when it comes to recruiting. So according to your logic he will be good player based on having no fat. I have read page after page of you talking recruiting and the more you type the more i am convinced you have no understanding of why LSU is in the position of having so many issues on the lines in recruiting



I merely mentioned that he had no bad weight to get rid of like several of our other recruits. I couldn't care less what you're convinced of. Coach O recruited Gaye because he thinks that he can contribute. The more I see of your posts and others I'm convinced that you don't understand recruiting at all. If you see the recruitment of Ali Gaye as the problem rather than part of the solution then you don't have a clue.

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bencoleman
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They can. For me it's because of posters like you. Basically shat on the last coach saying team needs a rebuild and look how Ed rebuilt the roster. He didn't, he's kept us mostly at the same level, swap losing to arky with Tamu



I'm sure that the above post makes sense to you somehow or another but wow you're out there.


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bencoleman
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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They downvote you because you don’t agree with them. Facts facts facts


It's difficult to remain respectful. Some of them so don't get it. All the while telling you that you are clueless.

Here's a quote from one of them from earlier in the thread.


, when Orgeron signs a highly recruited player the Cheerios cream their pants and say it’s a guarantee he’s elite but when he can’t and has to settle for weaker recruits there’s an excuse and they’re really great too you just can’t see it


The coaches don't recruit players that they don't believe can contribute. some are rated higher than others or have to be developed more than other's but the coaches recruit players with the intention of them contributing.


The poster in question believes that recruits with a lower star rating should be written off and aren't expected to contribute. He also believes that we should bash the players too apparently.

This is the kind of mentality that you have to deal with on this board.


I guess welcoming these players onboard is hypocritical to these guys. It's incredibly difficult to respect somebody like that.


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Buckeye Jeaux
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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Coach O recruited Gaye because he thinks that he can contribute.
Gaye is 6'6" 275, VERY athletic. He has 3 years of eligibility. Watched a half-hour or so of his film. This kid could be a beast.

Ali got his break with LSU. Up to him to put in the work to compete with the big guys. You can't coach a kid up to 6'6", 275, and athletic. That's a gift. Congrats to O & Ali!

And Ali hadn't touched a football before he arrived from Gambia (just before high school). He has come a long way. Juco was the right move for him for scholastics and athletics.
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bencoleman
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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Gaye is 6'6" 275, VERY athletic. He has 3 years of eligibility. Watched a half-hour or so of his film. This kid could be a beast



Coach O has coached some of the best defensive linemen in the country. He didn't just forget how to coach. I'm guessing that he recognizes defensive line talent or potential when he sees it. You've got people posting in this thread that actually believe that they have some kind of insight that the coaches don't have. The coaches took Ali Gaye early that tells me that he wasn't anyone's back up plan. They think that he can contribute whether it be this year or next. I tend to believe that he'll be needed next year more so than this one.


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I tend to believe that he'll be needed next year more so than this one.
Looks to me that Gaye sat out the 2017 season (maybe academics?). Played at Arizona Western in '18 (they did away with football at the end of 2018). So, in 2019, Gaye will play at Garden City Community College in Kansas. Then will join LSU in 2020. That's the best I can decipher it. You got anything else?

I also thought Gaye may be available for '19, but looks like '20 is the earliest.


bencoleman
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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rden City Community College in Kansas. Then will join LSU in 2020. That's the best I can decipher it. You got anything else?

I also thought Gaye may be available for '19, but looks like '20 is the earliest



That makes sense. Couldn't he have gone on next year's class then? Unless they were so impressed that they wanted to lock him up.


2021 is when he's going to be needed. I had the years mixed up.
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Buckeye Jeaux
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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2021 is when he's going to be needed. I had the years mixed up.
He may be ready in '20, but will definately be ready in '21.

Keep thinking he'd make a beast of a Tight End!. maybe they can get him some reps at the JUCO.


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TigerStripes30
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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Why do we keep taking commitments from 3-Star linemen. We all know that's where we gotta step it up, yet the bottom 5 players in our class are linemen!! It gets really annoying!



go be a fan to some other team then


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ArabianTiger7
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
You forgot 5* Chris Daveport from Mansfield...


BayouBengal99
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
Dude just because one person may have made some type of argument doesn’t mean an entire group of people feel the same way. It’s you who has the agenda. It’s not that O can do no wrong because if O flops this season he will lose most of if not all of his support.

The only reason I came to his defense was because he is currently LSU’s coach and hasn’t been doing that bad of a job. Especially considering the flack he’s gotten on this site. Even the national media was jumping on board but now those same media outlets are believing that O might know what he’s doing after all.

Most of his decisions have been immediate, to the point and have paid off for LSU in a positive way. If you can’t see that it’s simply because you’re the one with the “agenda”. LSU signed a 5* OG last year along with 4* OLman and DLman. He’s doing the same thing again this year mostly with 4* OL/DL. Recruiting isn’t over and LSU is almost at a point where the entire staff can focus on the lines exclusively.

LSU can finish real strong with a good year to back up what their message has been to these recruits. Look Louisiana had a down year in 2020 and O/Staff got ahead of it and is recruiting the country successfully to give LSU a number 2 class in the country. A legit number 2 class. We on the right track. It’s just slow moving.
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Damone
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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You forgot 5* Chris Daveport from Mansfield...

Yep. Stars don't mean nothin', I like that Coach O doesn't worry about that and instead relies on his own expertise and evaluation skills when deciding what players to offer. Championship teams aren't built on talent, but on moxie and desire.


WhoDatNC
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Championship teams aren't built on talent, but on moxie and desire.
They are built on both.


chRxis
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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You forgot 5* Chris Daveport from Mansfield...

man, i could do a very long list of our 5 star busts vs. 2-3 star heroes.... historically high to mid 4 star recruits have produced the best for LSU


Damone
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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man, i could do a very long list of our 5 star busts vs. 2-3 star heroes....

How about a comparison of 5 star studs vs. 2-3 star busts.


DeafVallyBatnR
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
Jordan Berry looks really under rated from the film I saw.


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chRxis
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re: So many 3-Star linemen at the bottom of our class???
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How about a comparison of 5 star studs vs. 2-3 star busts.

to be honest, if you take the relative number of each, i'm relatively certain it's very close to the same rate...

either way, 5 star recruits are not a "sure thing", as being insinuated with posting of this thread..


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