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Perpetual free agency

Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:50 am
Posted by mudcat tiger
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
218 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:50 am
This free agency NIL whatever you wanna call it, has to have some boundaries. Freshmen expect to play early and transfer if not. Portal guys expect to start. No continuity, no roster management, just a bunch of kids looking for a check. Gone are the days of waiting your turn and developing your skills.
Posted by canyon
Member since Dec 2003
18323 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:51 am to
Yep
I been saying that for sometime. The new age of college football is upon us. Can’t be sustainable though. Can it?
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
4380 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:55 am to
I think it will all get sorted out, but it’s going to continue to be a shite show in the meantime.
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
10525 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:56 am to
A portion of the rant thinks it's all good for college football. Player empowerment, no rules, no regulations, wild west.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13009 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:09 pm to
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This free agency NIL whatever you wanna call it, has to have some boundaries. Freshmen expect to play early and transfer if not. Portal guys expect to start. No continuity, no roster management, just a bunch of kids looking for a check. Gone are the days of waiting your turn and developing your skills.



Why do you hate capitalism? Are you a communist?

It’s not up to any school or you to decide for someone else how or where they “develop their skills”. You telling me you wouldn’t take a far better paying job just because your current job of “training you”? If you say you wouldn’t think about taking the better paying job you are a damn liar.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13009 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:12 pm to
You can’t come up with any logical reason to not allow it other than for selfish reasons which are not logical or legitimate.

This is pure capitalism at its finest.

The players are a commodity. They make money for these schools. People are willing to pay them to attend those schools because of the return they get.

You think you should be telling people how much they can or can’t make or telling people how and where to spend their money? How communist is of you.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13009 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:16 pm to
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I think it will all get sorted out, but it’s going to continue to be a shite show in the meantime.


The only way you can have any control over it is to have a draft system (which the players would never agree to because a 5 star QB is never going to agree to be “drafted” by a crap program and I don’t blame them. You think Arch Manning would have agreed to play for Moo State had they drafted him? I don’t think so.)

Unless you want to forgo the “college football” aspect of it and call it what it technically is which is minor league for the NFL and set up the same restrictions on minimum spending/max spending, minimum/max facilities, etc it’s never going to fly and it shouldn’t. And even then some programs will just pay extra under the table or overpay and just pay the fine like they do in the NFL.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 12:18 pm
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
10318 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:37 pm to
College players have it better than professionals from the standpoint of lacking a contract to keep them at a place they no longer want to work. Sure, the NIL dollars aren’t as good as a NFL player, but the flexibility to pick up and leave (as long as someone wants you) is unmatched.
Posted by Kajuntiger121110
Member since Aug 2020
620 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:40 pm to
Y? You're not limited on what u can make...thats their job, let them make what they can, never know if it'll translate to the NFL...and if it doesn't and they save that money, or invest it, they're setting themselves up for success
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
10525 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:45 pm to
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J2thaROC

Here comes one of my examples now
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1121 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:49 pm to
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Why do you hate capitalism? Are you a communist?


Guy, your routine is getting old and it has holes like Swiss cheese. First, there is NO SUCH THING as unbridled capitalism. If you are claiming that you are a fricking LIAR! In our economy, there are laws preventing monopolies, underhanded business practices, etc. And even in the pro sports, there are limits...salary caps in football, luxury taxes in baseball, etc. Oh, and BTW, you only state the extremes...capitalism or communism...nothing in between. Why aren't you posting your political dogma on the politics board?

If you think this is above board, altruistic capitalism, you are flat out dumber than a fence post. Oh, and BTW, I assume you believe prostitution should be legal, every drug in the world should be legal, etc right? After all, free enterprise and capitalism right? You took a concept and carried it to the extreme with no regard for rules that govern and limit every business industry in the US.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8082 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:53 pm to
All of this is true but the "has to have some boundaries" is already the case. Its just not the boundaries that, as fans of traditional college football, we want.

We want institutional control of a contract between between two private parties. With the supreme court ruling, it is extremely unlikely that will ever happen.
Posted by VolsBoi
Member since Oct 2023
177 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:54 pm to
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Perpetual free agency


I heard about one guy agreeing to a contract extension and then going to Notre Dame like a week later...

Oh wait that was Mike Denbrock. REGULATE THESE COACHES! He also sat out of the bowl game. Selfish.
Posted by TexasTiger88
Madisonville
Member since Jun 2010
1809 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:07 pm to
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Gone are the days of waiting your turn and developing your skills.


While I 100% agree with this take, Nuss sticking it out in this environment tells me all I need to know about his mental fortitude.

Give me that kid that everyday busts his arse behind the scenes, doesn't complain about lack of PT. He was also the first person to always celebrate with JD5 after a TD.

I'm very excited for this young man and the bowl game only helped that matter.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52765 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:17 pm to
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You telling me you wouldn’t take a far better paying job just because your current job of “training you”? If you say you wouldn’t think about taking the better paying job you are a damn liar.


I think contracts for NIL need to be instituted. If you take the money, you agree to a term. If you bail before your term is ended, you forfeit that money with a penalty.

It's what coaches do, it's what the pros do. If NIL and the transfer portal is to continue, then contracts are the only way to keep the game somewhat respectable.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13009 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:25 pm to
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I think contracts for NIL need to be instituted. If you take the money, you agree to a term. If you bail before your term is ended, you forfeit that money with a penalty.


There is nothing keeping that from being in the contracts other than players being unwilling to sign them. Any schools NIL collective is more than welcome to implement that.


quote:

It's what coaches do, it's what the pros do. If NIL and the transfer portal is to continue, then contracts are the only way to keep the game somewhat respectable.


No, the ONLY way to keep it respectable is to drop all money issues on the sport altogether. College football hasn’t been respectable since the 1940s at best. It’s always been about the haves and the have nots.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28257 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:27 pm to
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And even in the pro sports, there are limits...salary caps in football, luxury taxes in baseball, etc.


That's because the players and owners have collectively bargained for all of those things. The NFL is monopoly. So is the NBA and MLB. They get around the anti-trust laws by collective bargaining. Otherwise, salary caps and other restrictions imposed by the business would be illegal.

NIL here is nuanced. It's not a pure pay-for-play because the schools/athletic departments are not actually paying players a salary for employment. It's essentially "outside" boosters/collectives agreeing to pay players for use of their NIL...in the event (wink-wink, nod-nod) that player chooses to play for the booster's preferred school. The NIL contracts don't state "we will pay you $_____amount in exchange for you playing for (insert school). They can't.

The pro-leagues are more structured because the actually have an employer/employee relationship. Thus, they can have employment contracts that are paid to the employee directly by the employer. So unless and until there is some sort of collective bargaining between the schools/conferences/NCAA and a players' union, the NIL landscape will continue to be the wild west because almost any measure of control the NCAA tries to assert over NIL will likely be struck down in the courts of violation of anti-trust laws.

The way it probably gets curtailed to some extent is when the boosters get to a point where they are tired of being perpetually fleeced for more and more money by college "free agents" and decide their ROI isn't worth the ever increasing payments.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13009 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

The way it probably gets curtailed to some extent is when the boosters get to a point where they are tired of being perpetually fleeced for more and more money by college "free agents" and decide their ROI isn't worth the ever increasing payments.



Eh. At most you may start seeing actually obligations of years of service in these contracts. It still won’t change anything. The same thing was said about the outrageous amounts of money coaches get. They said eventually the collectives will be unwilling to continue to pay coaches this amount and not getting results. Just ask Jimbo Fisher if that was true or not. The salaries for coaches keep going up and up and the results stay the same for almost every team involved. All contracts for NIL will do is cause other colleges NIL collectives to “buy out” the contracts for players they want like they currently do coaches.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28257 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:34 pm to
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There is nothing keeping that from being in the contracts other than players being unwilling to sign them. Any schools NIL collective is more than welcome to implement that.


The boosters/collectives would be CRAZY for agreeing to long term commitments. The reason is because the NIL contract cannot be tied to the the player playing for a specific school. That would make it a direct pay-for-play contract.

So let's say I'm a wealthy business owner and I want to sign star true freshmen QB to a big NIL deal to lure him to sign with LSU. I can't put in the contract that the deal is only enforceable if he plays for LSU. That's direct pay-for-play. I'm only paying the kid for use of his NIL. His NIL travels wherever he goes. So if I sign him to an NIL deal for 3 years, I owe the terms of that contract...even if he transfers to Alabama after one season. Almost all of the NIL deals are very short in duration to specifically avoid that possibility.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13009 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:37 pm to
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The boosters/collectives would be CRAZY for agreeing to long term commitments. The reason is because the NIL contract cannot be tied to the the player playing for a specific school. That would make it a direct pay-for-play contract.



There are ways around that. Word it as “you must make X amount of playing visits on (specific football field) wearing (specific colors). You never actually mention the school itself as playing specifically for them just happens to be on their field wearing their colors. Legal issues constantly come down to “technicalities”.

You can’t word it about where a player has to play, but you can word it saying “you will NOT be paid IF you play for
(Input any all schools you want here)”
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 1:40 pm
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