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re: LSU basketball transfer portal watch

Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:00 am to
Posted by Wichita Co Tiger
Texas
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:00 am to
Georgia Tech??? That’s a bit of a surprise
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:10 am to
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Georgia Tech??? That’s a bit of a surprise


They hired Damon Stoudamire as their new HC. I could see how going to school in Atlanta and playing for an long time NBA PG would be appealing to a 20 year old guard. Particularly in light of the fact LSU has just brought in two established guards in Cook and Steward (both 1st team all conference players) who probably aren't coming to LSU to be stuck on the bench playing 10-15 minutes per game.
Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:14 am to
Georgia Tech is fairly surprising considering there was almost no smoke around him going there. Makes sense on his part just kind of out of left field
Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:25 am to
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They hired Damon Stoudamire as their new HC. I could see how going to school in Atlanta and playing for an long time NBA PG would be appealing to a 20 year old guard. Particularly in light of the fact LSU has just brought in two established guards in Cook and Steward (both 1st team all conference players) who probably aren't coming to LSU to be stuck on the bench playing 10-15 minutes per game.


Tech is putting together a solid class. Abram would have been a nice addition to have coming off the bench. The one advantage he did have over Cook/Stewart was SEC experience. Either MM told Abram he wouldn't be a starter or he came to that conclusion. If MM is set on Cook & Stewart as starters (just guessing), then you can probably take Battle and Girard off the board as well.

Also, a lot of smoke around Mack to South Carolina.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 10:27 am
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:53 am to
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The one advantage he did have over Cook/Stewart was SEC experience.


Well that, plus more size and length which could make him a good defender...something LSU desperately needs. I would have preferred him over the kid from Syracuse for that reason (as well as the fact he has 3 more years to play instead of just one). The new additions so far are good and very encouraging. But LSU MUST get better defensively and none of the transfers coming in are what one would consider plus defenders.

There are two more spots left to fill on the roster and LSU could really use some length in the backcourt. Even if that guy is not a great shooter or scorer right now.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:17 pm to
I’d argue that our transfers are pretty mediocre overall. I’m glad you guys think otherwise but McMahon ain’t it.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:38 pm to
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I’d argue that our transfers are pretty mediocre overall. I’m glad you guys think otherwise


From a national perspective LSU's 4 transfers are all in the top 100 available (2 in top 25). Multiple outlets who have no affinity for LSU feel LSU has done a good job thus far in the portatl.

Now, it's worth noting the same thoughts were there last year as well. We won't know how good the transfers are until (at the earliest) January of next year. If it is another bad season you can probably start to close the book on McMahon.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:50 pm to
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Now, it's worth noting the same thoughts were there last year as well. We won't know how good the transfers are until (at the earliest) January of next year. If it is another bad season you can probably start to close the book on McMahon.
From what I have heard, we have added some tough competition to our OOC schedule, so we should know before then. And obviously the difference between last year and this year is that we are adding to a small group of players. Last year we were adding to zero.

Having said that, whomever we add now will be in more of a bench / reserve role. I would like to see if we can pick up another freshman.
Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:55 pm to
The craziest part is that if there is not a significant improvement next year, McMahon's downfall will be the exact opposite of what most of our concerns were. There were concerns that he would struggle to get players, most weren't worried about his actual coaching abilities. Last year his talent was not an SEC-caliber roster but next year, he will not have that same excuse. If there is no improvement, his coaching will be the reason he gets canned.
Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:17 pm to
Matt Mcmahon Talks LSU Basketball

Didn't see this posted anywhere. Talks a good bit about recruiting and his approach so far in the portal
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:24 pm to
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From what I have heard, we have added some tough competition to our OOC schedule


Texas is on the schedule in Houston and LSU is playing in the Charleston Classic along with Houston, Dayton, St. Johns, Utah, etc. Those are name we know, but with so much volatility in CBB I don't know how good any of those teams will be other than Houston. Texas should still be good, but that was Chris Beard's team last season. Terry (who has been average everywhere he's been) now has to steer the ship. I'm hoping there are some other good matchups.

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so we should know before then.


I think it is always a bit unfair to fully judge a team before conference play starts. That said, if LSU is getting boat-raced by even decent teams in the OOC portion that won't be a good sign.

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obviously the difference between last year and this year is that we are adding to a small group of players. Last year we were adding to zero.


That's not completely true. Last year LSU had 10 newcomers. If things remain the same they will have 8 this year. But that is major conference basketball today. The days of recruiting and developing are largely over. Even if LSU has success next season, it is likely they will still have to bring in 7 or so new players for the next season.

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I would like to see if we can pick up another freshman.


Only if you think he can contribute this season. Otherwise, odds are it would be a wasted roster spot because that guy would be likely to leave after next season. LSU signed 4 players last season. One didn't play at all and one (Phillips) didn't play much until the very end of the season. Both are gone after one season. So whatever developing of them you did this season you won't enjoy the results of it.

LSU still has some glaring holes on this roster they need to fill. Taking a HS guy who you don't see as a likely immediate contributor isn't great roster management. Especially for a coach who needs to start producing results immediately.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
717 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 4:23 pm to
There was a lot of uncertainty about 2 of the returnees from the year before last season (Miller and Williams) and Mwani was just a role player. Of the 5 returning from last season, Mwani is still a supporting player, Fountain is a proven good contributor, Hannibal is a decent supporting player, and Reed and Ward are a lot like Justice Williams from an uncertainty perspective of what they’ll offer, but both contributed more than Justice, and showed more potential. So I think the base is significantly better, plus 2 extra players is huge in a roster of 13 players.
Posted by macaoidh
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:19 pm to
Significantly?

The transfers might be significantly better. I might buy that argument, though I'd say it's incomplete.

But the returning guys? Not sure about that.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 6:11 pm to
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Portal Targets
BJ Mack-Wofford
Amaree Abram-Ole Miss
RaeQuan Battle-Montana State
Joe Girard-Syracuse
Tre White-USC
Moussa Cisse-Oklahoma State


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Syracuse transfer Joe Girard has cut his list to Clemson and LSU, per his IG page.




I would be surprised if he came to LSU and wasn't a starter. A starting backcourt of Cook & Girard... eek, no Defense.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 6:23 pm
Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 6:11 pm to
Double post
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 6:13 pm
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
717 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 6:19 pm to
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Significantly? The transfers might be significantly better. I might buy that argument, though I'd say it's incomplete. But the returning guys? Not sure about that.


I think our base is significantly better. We have a returning starter in Fountain that was a good contributor. Ward and Reed have shown more than Williams. If Miller had played as expected, then it wouldn’t be significant, but he was always a projection. The difference in our base this year is that our returners have played under CMM’s system, so they are less uncertain than last year’s group. Even Mwani will be less uncertain this year, because he played well in his limited time last year. We have a known base this year, even if it isn’t that strong, but it has some contributors, so it is significantly better. Last year everything was a projection, and in hindsight 2 of the 3 returnees weren’t good. We know we’re significantly better off with our current returnees.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
717 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 6:22 pm to
It seems like Girard would be a great insurance policy for Cook not being given a waiver. We’ll be cooked if Cook doesn’t get the waiver unless we get a player like Girard.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36931 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 6:50 pm to
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Didn't see this posted anywhere. Talks a good bit about recruiting and his approach so far in the portal
Good article. Thank you.
Posted by JWill409
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
1423 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:23 pm to
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Now, it's worth noting the same thoughts were there last year as well. We won't know how good the transfers are until (at the earliest) January of next year. If it is another bad season you can probably start to close the book on McMahon.


I will also add though that 2 of the 4 “prized transfers” we got had very little “momentum” at their respective schools. Seemed like they were graded on potential and not necessarily results. Cam Hayes was pretty highly regarded out of hs as well as Fountain, but struggled before we got them. I want to say Hayes had shot around 33% from the field and 25% from 3 in 20min per game and Fountain was a measly 34% from the field and 16% from 3 on 8 minutes per game. I don’t like using strictly stats to define these guys, but MM had to know that there was major work to do with these 2 guys. I’d say 1 turned out to be serviceable and the other average at best.

This group coming in gives off a totally different vibe.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 7:26 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 7:38 pm to
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Portal Targets
BJ Mack-Wofford
Amaree Abram-Ole Miss
RaeQuan Battle-Montana State
Joe Girard-Syracuse
Tre White-USC
Moussa Cisse-Oklahoma State


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Montana State transfer 6'5 SG RaeQuan Battle has committed to West Virginia.

Battle averaged 17.7 ppg, three rpg, and an assist per game this past season.
(Grad transfer with one year of eligibility left.)
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