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re: LSU basketball transfer portal watch
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:24 pm to Alt26
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:24 pm to Alt26
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I guess the first question is what is considered a "knockdown" shooter? Given that the mid-range jump-shot is looked at as a "bad" shot in today's basketball, I have to think you are considering a "knockdown shooter" to be a good three point shooter.
To that end, Carlos Stewart shot 40% on nearly 5 three point attempts per game. Cook was 35%. Baker was 36% (albeit on limited attempts).
On the current roster, Wilkinson has proven he has the ability to knockdown an open 3 (8/18 last season for 44%). Tyrell Ward was 39% in conference play (again, in limited shots).
While LSU wasn't a great 3 point shooting team last year, it wasn't their biggest weakness. They were horrible finishing around the basket and were a poor defensive team. Getting a bit better from behind the arc is not suddenly going to make this a great team. If the same defensive struggles are there next season all that added 3 point shooting will mean is you lose double-digit SEC games by a slightly lower margin.
If you look at 90% of the post in here they are all about offense. Part of that is because of the nature of the game, but other aspects like defense and rebounding are absolutely necessary to be great. For all of the Will Wade fans, his WORST three point shooting team was his best team at LSU (18-19). That's because LSU was decent defensively, and great on the offensive glass and converting at the FT line.
IMO, the biggest part of being a great three point shooting team is getting good shots. Outside of KJ last season, LSU's offensive structure was so bad that they had far too few good looks from deep. If that changes this season, I think LSU has enough with the new players and few of the returnees to be fine from an outside shooting perspective. My concern now is defense and rebounding. Without it, there is a cap on how good you can be.
I disagree that 3 point shooting wasn't our biggest problem, but 2 point shooting was also a problem. Even defense was a problem. We had lots of problems, but our 3 point shooting hurt our offense as badly as our 2 point shooting. When you're bad at 3 pointers, it allows teams to sag, which makes 2 pointers tougher. We only had 1 player that we could rely upon to hit at least 35% of 3 pointers while taking at least 3 per game. Ward didn't play until late in the year, and didn't take many shots. Mwani never takes many, and didn't play half the year. Miller was terrible at under 32%, and he took the vast majority of the shots. He had many tough looks, but most of the offense was geared to set him up for three pointers. A lot of his tough shots would've been easier if Miller had driven to the basket more frequently, which would've forced defenders to respect that. Only KJ got easier shots, and it was his volume that kept our numbers decent, but having your center taking nearly half of your 3 pointers is bad. Fountain was also decent, but again, you don't want to rely on your bigs to take most of your 3 pointers, because that kills rebounding. KJ should've been no more than 4th on 3 point volume behind Miller, Hayes, Justice, Williams, Ward, or Hannibal, but none of them were good shooters. Next year, Cook and Stewart should lead the team in 3 point volume. They should get easier shots, because they can both create on drives, which will force defenses to respect the drive and kick to the 3 point line. Hopefully someone else like Mwani, Ward, Williams, Hannibal or someone else should be 3rd in volume as they benefit from those drives from Cook and Stewart, rather than Baker or any other big. That would make us a good 3 point shooting team, and should also help our 2 point shooting.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:25 pm to Alt26
Yeah I was definitely referring to 3pt shooting. I completely agree about not finishing at the rim. That was Wade’s bread and butter. Finish at the rim or get fouled or 3 pt shoot and crashing the boards.
We destroyed teams on offensive glass and the foul line.
McMahon really need to look at his PNR defense. We were very poor in that regards.
Also dribble penetration, since we lack a valid rim protector
We destroyed teams on offensive glass and the foul line.
McMahon really need to look at his PNR defense. We were very poor in that regards.
Also dribble penetration, since we lack a valid rim protector
Posted on 4/24/23 at 3:43 pm to Lapaz
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I disagree that 3 point shooting wasn't our biggest problem, but 2 point shooting was also a problem.
LSU was dead last in the SEC in 2 point FG% and something like 325th nationally. While not good by any means, they were 10th in the SEC in 3 point FG %.
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Even defense was a problem.
Ya think? LSU was 176 in defensive efficiency. To put that in a bit of perspective, over the last 20 years the only team with a worse defensive performance was Johnny Jones' 16-17 team
Again, 3 point shooting was a problem. But it wasn't the biggest. And simply fixing that aspect without more isn't going to change much in terms of the record. On paper, LSU seems to have multiple guys that look like they could make this at least an average 3 point shooting team. The defense (and rebounding) right now still look to be a big concern unless some guys from last year are poised to make a big jump (and/or McMahon intends to change his defensive approach next season). With the way the roster looks now, adding another 3 point shooter who doesn't give you much defensively or on the glass isn't a big boost
Posted on 4/24/23 at 3:51 pm to Alt26
Couldn’t shoot the 3 or guard the 3, perimeter improvement needs to be a priority along with guard creating shots for teammates and self
Posted on 4/24/23 at 4:39 pm to grich31
We been linked to Amaree Abram, Joe Girard, Moussa Cisse, Russell Tchewa, Tyreek Smith, Tre White. Wonder which 2 we will land?
Posted on 4/24/23 at 4:50 pm to Alt26
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Ya think? LSU was 176 in defensive efficiency. To put that in a bit of perspective, over the last 20 years the only team with a worse defensive performance was Johnny Jones' 16-17 team
Unfortunately, Cook and Baker do nothing to address that. Stewart and Wright should both be an improvement on D vs. last season.
Still out there that we know of - Smith, White, and Abram would also be defensive upgrades over last season and I don't believe any of them would require a waiver.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 4:54 pm to LSUFan2700
It is looking as though Amaree Abram is Georgia bound and Girard is favored for Clemson right now but still up in the air. Tchewa took a visit to Georgia with Abram, but has been pretty quiet since. Hate to be a downer, but we seemed to have missed on both guys (Abram and Girard) that we were favored to get as least one just a couple weeks ago (hence why we offered Tre White)
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 4/24/23 at 5:14 pm to LSUFan2700
I haven't seen anything linking us to Moussa Cisse, other than he was once an LSU commit. Is there anything else?
Posted on 4/24/23 at 5:17 pm to Lapaz
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
Moussa Cisse tells me that he's receiving interest from the following programs:
Ole Miss
UCF
Cincinnati
Kansas State
LSU
UCLA
TCU
Memphis
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Syracuse
That was reported on April 13th
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 4/24/23 at 6:40 pm to Aforem7
Ill take Tre White and a center
Posted on 4/24/23 at 7:32 pm to LSUFan2700
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Ill take Tre White and a center
Unless MM plans to lean heavily on 3-star SG Williams, LSU probably needs to sign two more guards. White has visited LSU in the past, so LSU could have an inside track on him. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Hannibal and/or Ward enter the Portal.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 9:22 pm to rds dc
We've got to sign another big.
You can't go into battle with only four forwards on the whole roster.
You can't go into battle with only four forwards on the whole roster.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 9:33 pm to rds dc
Ward is coming back for year 2. So it would have to be Hannibal. White has history with us he visited us twice. So I think it makes sense to get a few more guards and a center
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:19 am to rds dc
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Unless MM plans to lean heavily on 3-star SG Williams, LSU probably needs to sign two more guards
I don't see that happening.
Right now LSU has 4 guards: Cook, Stewart, Hannibal, Williams.
They have 4 guys you would consider "post" players: Baker, Reed, Fountain, Chest.
They have 3 "wings": Ward, Wilkinson, Wright.
Unless some guys make big jumps, that frontcourt is very worrisome when it comes to defense and rebounding. So I don't see LSU adding two more guards (unless someone else transfers).
A bigger guard who could defend multiple positions would be ideal. But, IMO, LSU really needs a big who can defend and rebound. Baker has a good offensive game. Reed has the foundation to grow a good offensive game. Fountain is going to fight his arse off to defend and rebound, but he's only one guy. They need someone else. That's why even though he is still somewhat raw, it would be great if they could convince Phillips to stay.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:27 am to Alt26
This looks like another bottom half SEC team unless MM is able to coach a lot better and there is significant jump in quality from Ward, Reed, etc.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:32 am to PNG Futbol
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This looks like another bottom half SEC team unless MM is able to coach a lot better and there is significant jump in quality from Ward, Reed, etc.
MM's strengths are supposed to be coaching and player development. His first season coaching... Hopefully, his player development skills transfer. With that said, who does LSU pass up talent wise in the West after transfer season?
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:35 am to PNG Futbol
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This looks like another bottom half SEC team unless MM is able to coach a lot better and there is significant jump in quality from Ward, Reed, etc.
LSU will be picked to finish in the bottom half of the SEC to start the season. That is almost a guarantee. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me to see them picked to finish dead last...though Vanderbilt and South Carolina might also being vying for that spot.
However, I do think a combination of Cook and Stewart at guard will be an upgrade over last season. Getting much more production out of guys like Ward and Reed will be essential. There is a reason those guys were highly ranked recruits. MM has to unlock it. He also has to adjust his approach to major conf. basketball. Last year was the first time in his playing/coaching career he had to go through the gauntlet of playing a major conf. schedule. I think that created a lot of uncertainty for him in trying to make adjustments as the season went on. Hopefully, after getting his arse-kicked for a year he now has the experience necessary to make the adjustments.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 11:22 am to rds dc
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who does LSU pass up talent wise in the West after transfer season?
Well, there is no "West" in basketball. But to answer your question, I think LSU will probably have a better roster than Vanderbilt and South Carolina, at least, with Georgia and Ole Miss also being likely possibilities along with Mississippi St.
If rankings mean anything, LSU currently has 4 top 100 transfers (2 in top 25) with the possibility of adding 1-2 more. Then you have guys like Reed, Ward and Wilkinson, who were all top 75 players in their recruiting classes, and you feel like you should have some decent individual pieces. The question then becomes can MM put it together.
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MM's strengths are supposed to be coaching and player development.
The only guys that really have big potential to develop are Ward and Reed. Otherwise, he either has upper classmen (Hannibal, Fountain, Wilkinson) or first year transfers who won't have time to "develop".
Player development over the course of multiple years was a big part of coaching, especially at the mid-major level. Not so much any more. Roster building has taken over because a coach is likely to have turnover 6, 7, 8+ players each season. The Skylar Mays and Darrius Days are going to be the exceptions, not the norm. Guys like that will often be gone after 1-2 years in the program.
The good news is that a program can rebound for a horrible season to a great season in just one year. The bad news is that great season with that roster will likely be just a one year thing, and the coach will have to continuously rebuild a great roster each year to have sustained success.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:07 pm to rds dc
I was holding out hope that Cam would stick with the Tigers. He improved as the season went on and was one of the better defenders.
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LSU transfer Cam Hayes has committed to East Carolina per
@TiptonEdits
.
The 6’2” junior guard averaged 8.1 points, 2.5 rebounds, and 2.3 assists.
Previously played at NC State.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 12:20 pm to rds dc
every day that passes without big shawn leaving is good. that guy has potential to dominate on D
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