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re: Louisiana Bootleggers will no longer participate in IMG events
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:46 am to sicboy
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:46 am to sicboy
quote:how fricking ironic. I love how a 7 on 7 coach is actually accusing IMG of using kids to "elevate their program" when Moses is going to get more from IMG in terms of personal development and support than he ever would from some sleazy frick wannabe handler that runs a crappy 7 on 7 team solely for money
This is about elevating kids, not your program
IMO, 7 on 7 is going the route of AAU basketball where they try to be these kids handlers. I'm glad that they got upended by IMG. frick 7 on 7, AAU, and every other outlet that allows a single grown man to take advantage of these kids for financial or personal gain
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:55 am to InTheDetails
Is this similar to what happened with core6 la? Turnout year one was excellent, year two was hot garbage. Were they trying to poach kids too?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:58 am to southeasttiger113
The NCAA needs to perform a thorough review of IMG. In my opinion, the scholarships that they give out are very close to violating eligibility requirements of amateurism. Basically, you are being compensated to go to a school being run by professional agents. While players are not required to sign with their agents when eventually going pro, it is a huge part of the business model of IMG. I'm sure as time goes on, it will be extremely obvious that the absolute vast majority of IMG players go on to sign with IMG-associated agents.
The whole thing has a serious Prime Prep stink about it and it needs to be exposed for what it really is.
The whole thing has a serious Prime Prep stink about it and it needs to be exposed for what it really is.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:59 am to southeasttiger113
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how fricking ironic. I love how a 7 on 7 coach is actually accusing IMG of using kids to "elevate their program" when Moses is going to get more from IMG in terms of personal development and support than he ever would from some sleazy frick wannabe handler that runs a crappy 7 on 7 team solely for money
IMO, 7 on 7 is going the route of AAU basketball where they try to be these kids handlers. I'm glad that they got upended by IMG. frick 7 on 7, AAU, and every other outlet that allows a single grown man to take advantage of these kids for financial or personal gain
You are letting your butthurt affect your judgement.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:00 am to Duckie
[qteuote]They play teams from all over. [/quote]
Not if state highschool assoc ban their teams from playing teams like this (unsanctioned)
All this means for a kid Like Moses (already #1 recruit) is that his body will be taking g a much larger amount of big hits when it isn't needed.
Not if state highschool assoc ban their teams from playing teams like this (unsanctioned)
All this means for a kid Like Moses (already #1 recruit) is that his body will be taking g a much larger amount of big hits when it isn't needed.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:01 am to BigEdLSU
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Is this similar to what happened with core6 la? Turnout year one was excellent, year two was hot garbage. Were they trying to poach kids too?
core6 was just a training program with 7v7 team. It didn't appear they really invested much in Louisiana.
Then I think there was some drama with their owner before year 2.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:02 am to southeasttiger113
That's some pretty strong stuff there. 7-on-7 is fairly new and the structure does resemble AAU basketball and so on. But it does not have to end up like AAU. Instead of fighting it at its base, work with it to mold it in a way that is conducive to the structure of today's sports and regulations.
Now your statement gets pretty presumptuous. I would be willing to bet that only a small handful, lets say less than 10, 7-on-7 programs "make money" through the team. For example: The team that featured OBJ, Ameer Abdullah and Jarvis Landry was self funded by each kid, a couple parents that helped raise a little money and the rest was picked up by volunteer coaches.
The team that featured Tre White, Diarse, Desean Smith etc. was the exact same structure. Some teams have NFL guys that help with expenses, others have religious groups, but very few "make money" as you have stated. Those trips are extremely expensive and the funds are very limited due to the financial situation of the kids. Most teams are self funded by the players and families. I bet you didn't know that.
Again, you speak of what you don't know. Cam Newton, Keyshawn Johnson, Brian Kelly, Derrick Brooks, Shaun King, Drayton Florence, Gus Scott, JJ McCleskey are just some of the NFL guys that run 7v7 programs. I know a pastor that runs a team, a ton of great trainers, school teachers that are HS coaches. Most of the ones that come in for the wrong reasons fold very quickly.
Of course there will be some bad apples, are there is in every bunch, but the vast majority are volunteers and donors. They are not guys "making money" off of the team.
Now your statement gets pretty presumptuous. I would be willing to bet that only a small handful, lets say less than 10, 7-on-7 programs "make money" through the team. For example: The team that featured OBJ, Ameer Abdullah and Jarvis Landry was self funded by each kid, a couple parents that helped raise a little money and the rest was picked up by volunteer coaches.
The team that featured Tre White, Diarse, Desean Smith etc. was the exact same structure. Some teams have NFL guys that help with expenses, others have religious groups, but very few "make money" as you have stated. Those trips are extremely expensive and the funds are very limited due to the financial situation of the kids. Most teams are self funded by the players and families. I bet you didn't know that.
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sleazy frick wannabe handler that runs a crappy 7 on 7 team solely for money
Again, you speak of what you don't know. Cam Newton, Keyshawn Johnson, Brian Kelly, Derrick Brooks, Shaun King, Drayton Florence, Gus Scott, JJ McCleskey are just some of the NFL guys that run 7v7 programs. I know a pastor that runs a team, a ton of great trainers, school teachers that are HS coaches. Most of the ones that come in for the wrong reasons fold very quickly.
Of course there will be some bad apples, are there is in every bunch, but the vast majority are volunteers and donors. They are not guys "making money" off of the team.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:07 am to InTheDetails
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Of course there will be some bad apples, are there is in every bunch, but the vast majority are volunteers and donors. They are not guys "making money" off of the team.
Exactly. There will always be some bad apples around high profile athletes.
7v7 and AAU are great programs for a lot of kids. Unfortunately, most people only hear about them if things go poorly.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:08 am to Duckie
I'm just going to copy my post from the IMG thread:
And I quote:
They are working in a very, very thin grey area. They are providing free training (that they normally charge for) to "amateur" athletes in order to secure professional relationships for future sponsorship and talent management agreements.
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IMG is a huge multi-national corporation. The IMG Academy is just a part of it. Here is a link to their corporate homepage. The IMG Academy is listed on the bottom right, second column.
IMG
And I quote:
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For nearly 50 years, IMG has been connecting brands and audiences through sponsorships, licensing, media, consulting, venues, training, talent management, and unparalleled client service.
They are working in a very, very thin grey area. They are providing free training (that they normally charge for) to "amateur" athletes in order to secure professional relationships for future sponsorship and talent management agreements.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:09 am to Duckie
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7v7 and AAU are great programs for a lot of kids. Unfortunately, most people only hear about them if things go poorly.
I couldn't have said it better myself...wait...is that you, me?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:16 am to InTheDetails
Oh shite, here we go...
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:20 am to InTheDetails
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InTheDetails
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(Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:09 am to Duckie)
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.wait...is that you, me?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:37 am to daberryballer
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The IMG academy concept has been around in basketball for years.
And baseball and soccer. The funniest part, though, is it's basically right white tennis players' parents that are funding these scholarships for the players that are going to IMG.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:40 am to recruitnik
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And baseball and soccer. The funniest part, though, is it's basically right white tennis players' parents that are funding these scholarships for the players that are going to IMG.
I remember reading an article about IMG years ago in sports illustrated (maybe it was SI for kids). Back then, I think the only sports they were concerned with were hard to access sports like tennis, track and field and golf
I odn't know why I always remembered that blip of an article, but I do.
I mean, this article was from the 90s.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:41 am to recruitnik
I don't fault the kids for going there at all. As a parent u only want to see your kids succeed and to be happy. If they offered my son a chance to go there to train I would consider it as many parents would do. Side note tho this is a grey area that I just don't see how it's not illegal. 70k a year is a lot of money even for people who have 100k jobs out there.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:42 am to Duckie
Wasn't it started or founded by Agassi's old tennis coach?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:45 am to camweb68
If it was my child I would be for it. There is no way the kids or families can be faulted here.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:47 am to InTheDetails
So where did this all begin? IMG or it's detractors?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:47 am to Jester
Your weird obsession with pretending to know shite about IMG is annoying. I went there for 4 years and I've been giving info on it in threads for 2+ years now. What exactly is your qualification to be explaining to me how it works? I think I'd know better than you but who knows, everybody on TD suddenly became an expert on the place when Shavar Manuel and Savion Smith gained interest about 6 months ago m so I'll just be quiet and listen to all the recruiting board know it all geniuses circle jerk
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