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re: Likelihood of Sopsher to Alabama or LSU? - By the numbers analysis
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:12 am to NoPandGglasses
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:12 am to NoPandGglasses
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Which one the AL or GA DT commits does he not accept?
he'll get one of them to think it is their best interest to go else where and they will somehow be happy to do it or he will get one to walk on. It is like he can tell these recruits anything and they do it.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:13 am to NoPandGglasses
Pretty good breakdown of the numbers in the OP. Well done
I can't get past the fact that Sopsher chose the Bama v. Mizzou game over LSU v. UGA. BUT, the numbers in the OP make a great point that this recruitment is not over.
Sure, advantage BAMA; but it's waaaaay to early for LSU to move on.
I can't get past the fact that Sopsher chose the Bama v. Mizzou game over LSU v. UGA. BUT, the numbers in the OP make a great point that this recruitment is not over.
Sure, advantage BAMA; but it's waaaaay to early for LSU to move on.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:21 am to rickyh
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I would take any of these 2 over Sopsher and his brother right now.
is his brother legit? Does his brother have the potential to actually be a starter one day at LSU or is he just a body that we have to take in order to get Ishmael?
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:27 am to boxcar willie
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is his brother legit? Does his brother have the potential to actually be a starter one day at LSU or is he just a body that we have to take in order to get Ishmael?
Rodney’s peak would be special teams.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 2:53 pm to NoPandGglasses
I agree, he doesn't get everyone he wants. I mean, if he could, I believe he'd get 10 to 15 players from Louisiana every season. I mean, how many Louisiana recruits committed to LSU right now has Saban offered? Most if not all I'd imagine. If Ish does turn out to be a great player or even a very good player at LSU then it'd be worth 2 scholly's. But, if the story is true that he and his brother had planned to be at LSU for the UGA game and they went to Sabama instead, then LSU needs to start recruiting some other DLine players a little harder. If not O and his staff will end up in the same situation they were in last year with Surtain and the year before with Etienne. But, yea, I'd rather keep these LA recruits at LSU. I just don't think LSU needs to "beg' them to stay home. I don't know how much Saban is paying these kids, I just wish the NCAA would do their job. Well, that's another topic all together my friend.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 3:48 pm to NoPandGglasses
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Both are geographically sensitive and important to keep the pipeline going in those areas
Neither of those is strategically better than stealing a LA player from LSU in a position of huge need for the tigers. That by itself would outweigh the geography of the others, even aside from the fact that Sopsher is the better player.
But I hope you're correct.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 4:35 pm to boxcar willie
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he'll get one of them to think it is their best interest to go else where and they will somehow be happy to do it or he will get one to walk on. It is like he can tell these recruits anything and they do it.
If we hadn't seen it so many damn times we wouldn't believe it.
I don't think they think that they need Sophsher, but he's a take if both want in. Saban does not have a heart when it comes to these matters and he'll just pull an offer from one of those lesser players.
They didn't even need Surtain last season, they took him because they could.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 10/15/18 at 4:36 pm to Goldrush25
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They didn't even need Surtain last season, they took him because they could.
Ok, pump the brakes
Posted on 10/15/18 at 4:42 pm to Goldrush25
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They didn't even need Surtain last season, they took him because they could.
I'm not sure if he's starting, but he's definitely in their two deep and getting a whole lot of playing time. It's not like they just took him to keep us from getting him. Their depth chart at corner looked a lot like ours did after last year.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 4:53 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Neither of those is strategically better than stealing a LA player from LSU in a position of huge need for the tigers. That by itself would outweigh the geography of the others, even aside from the fact that Sopsher is the better player. But I hope you're correct.
Me too...
It's one thing to jerk an offer and say you won't accept a LOI if a kid is out of shape, grades drop significantly, or gets in trouble with the law.
But, if you keep jerking offers after recruits verbally commit within 400 miles of your school (core recruiting area) because you can upgrade to a higher quality recruit, then it will piss off H.S. coaches, parents, and recruits. Word will eventually get out.
Even Saban knows and understands this. And, even Saban could ruin his reputation no matter how many NCs he has...
It has to be done on a limited basis...with the internet, this shite will get out fast.
I don't follow Bama recruiting closely - only when it affects LA recruits, I would like to hear from other posters how many times and for what reasons Saban has done it.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 10/15/18 at 4:53 pm to whitefoot
I'm saying they didn't recruit him nearly as hard as we did, and they ended up with him.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 5:38 pm to Goldrush25
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They didn't even need Surtain last season, they took him because they could.
EQUALS
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I'm saying they didn't recruit him nearly as hard as we did, and they ended up with him.
?
Can you provide a decoder ring to help decipher your posts in the future, because I'm really not sure how anyone would get "what you meant" from "what you said"?
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:21 pm to NoPandGglasses
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I seriously doubt they don't accept signed LOIs from the DL they have verbally committed as they are all very highly ranked and or geographically sensitive/important.
Dont think for a minute that Saban would not process a guy out for a higher prospect. He did it a couple yrs ago to a ESPN top 150 LB. He had him greyshirt until he could process someone and give him a scholly... and the kid did it!
Posted on 10/15/18 at 8:00 pm to Goldrush25
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If you were to look at his past classes I'm sured you'd find where he's oversigned a position because there was too much talent to pass up on. It's how he gets that type of ridiculous depth that he gets.
This was a huge complaint regarding Miles' style of recruiting.. Whether we were wrong or not will probably never be known but it certainly produced some glaring holes at points that did eventually get covered over. I think others have said it best.. Saban probably realizes that LSU is one of his biggest obstacles in terms of maintaining SEC dominance. Every 5 star player that we don't get is a win in his book. Especially if they end up at Bama. Numbers be damned.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 9:14 pm to NoPandGglasses
So much fail here that i shouldnt even reply but since little boys need to be educated sometimes i will.
First of all, im a veteran in this shite so dont get high on your horse especially one too big for you.
Ley me break down your failures now.
Im still waiting for a link that Rodneys visit was official. Ishs wasnt so if the family was going anyway why would Rodney or Bama want an official. I know the concept of common sense eludes some but at least pretend to have some.
As for me linking, im man enough to admit that i honestly dont know how but ill do you a favor and spell out a couple of places to "research" my thoughts on Cheney. BOL.com and SECRant.com Alabama team page recruiting megathread. Go read up little man.
All you did was copy/paste a rule which i already know. I outlined your failure in my last post. Unofficial visits dont matter regarding blueshirts.
Go look at Bamas history. Not all kids know they are gonna be processed. Some do and accept it. Some dont know and cry on television when they find out yet still accept a grayshirt. This incident has been mentioned in this thread. Weve got our own kid some think will not be signed yet hes still on the commitment list (the juco CB). I wonder why that is.
The Rodney/Ish portion of your post is so full of fail that its almost impossible to believe. Reading comprehension is your friend. Youre showing your education, or lackthereof, my friend. I clearly posted that Rodney can enter in the fall of 19 yet redshirt and have his scholly count towards '20. Thats what a blueshirt is little man. Yet you say i dont understand the blueshirt rule. Another example of your failure to grasp the concept of reading comprehension. Education is your friend.
At no point did i ever say anything about Ish greyshirting, redshirting or anything of the such. Thats you projecting because you lack the 2nd/3rd grade skill of comprehending what you read.
As for dimensions, if living in yours is a requirement then i politely reject that notion.
As for proving the visits were official, its pretty easy to do. I garonteeh Ishamels visit wasnt official. Not for Missouri and not on a midweek decision. Bama is way to precise and calculated for an unannounced, suprise official by one of their prime targets. Thats just common sense and what veterans know when it comes to recruiting. Youre just a rookie.
The rest of your babble about the NCAA is just that. Bama isnt concerned with the NCAA first of all, secondly there are no concerns for them regarding unofficial visits unless it can be proven they paid for it. Fat chance.
This is the last response you will get from me so post whatever petty bullshite you want. Ill let facts support my posts. Watch for them. And next time educate yourself or at the least know who youre talking to before coming at a vet with ignorance.
Again, Have a great day. Chump
First of all, im a veteran in this shite so dont get high on your horse especially one too big for you.
Ley me break down your failures now.
Im still waiting for a link that Rodneys visit was official. Ishs wasnt so if the family was going anyway why would Rodney or Bama want an official. I know the concept of common sense eludes some but at least pretend to have some.
As for me linking, im man enough to admit that i honestly dont know how but ill do you a favor and spell out a couple of places to "research" my thoughts on Cheney. BOL.com and SECRant.com Alabama team page recruiting megathread. Go read up little man.
All you did was copy/paste a rule which i already know. I outlined your failure in my last post. Unofficial visits dont matter regarding blueshirts.
Go look at Bamas history. Not all kids know they are gonna be processed. Some do and accept it. Some dont know and cry on television when they find out yet still accept a grayshirt. This incident has been mentioned in this thread. Weve got our own kid some think will not be signed yet hes still on the commitment list (the juco CB). I wonder why that is.
The Rodney/Ish portion of your post is so full of fail that its almost impossible to believe. Reading comprehension is your friend. Youre showing your education, or lackthereof, my friend. I clearly posted that Rodney can enter in the fall of 19 yet redshirt and have his scholly count towards '20. Thats what a blueshirt is little man. Yet you say i dont understand the blueshirt rule. Another example of your failure to grasp the concept of reading comprehension. Education is your friend.
At no point did i ever say anything about Ish greyshirting, redshirting or anything of the such. Thats you projecting because you lack the 2nd/3rd grade skill of comprehending what you read.
As for dimensions, if living in yours is a requirement then i politely reject that notion.
As for proving the visits were official, its pretty easy to do. I garonteeh Ishamels visit wasnt official. Not for Missouri and not on a midweek decision. Bama is way to precise and calculated for an unannounced, suprise official by one of their prime targets. Thats just common sense and what veterans know when it comes to recruiting. Youre just a rookie.
The rest of your babble about the NCAA is just that. Bama isnt concerned with the NCAA first of all, secondly there are no concerns for them regarding unofficial visits unless it can be proven they paid for it. Fat chance.
This is the last response you will get from me so post whatever petty bullshite you want. Ill let facts support my posts. Watch for them. And next time educate yourself or at the least know who youre talking to before coming at a vet with ignorance.
Again, Have a great day. Chump
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 10/15/18 at 9:46 pm to NoPandGglasses
You spent a lot of time on this, but your initial premise is flawed with regard to Alabama's numbers. They will absolutely hold a spot for him and probably not let some of their current commitments sign in December. You saw us do this with Ardarius Washington last year.
Now, you might be correct that it's not a done deal with Sopsher, but that's certainly got nothing to do with Alabama's number situation. He's the top rated DT in the county for crying out loud. You honestly think Saban's not going to find room for him? That's absurd.
Now, you might be correct that it's not a done deal with Sopsher, but that's certainly got nothing to do with Alabama's number situation. He's the top rated DT in the county for crying out loud. You honestly think Saban's not going to find room for him? That's absurd.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:04 pm to whitefoot
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You spent a lot of time on this, but your initial premise is flawed with regard to Alabama's numbers. They will absolutely hold a spot for him and probably not let some of their current commitments sign in December. You saw us do this with Ardarius Washington last year. Now, you might be correct that it's not a done deal with Sopsher, but that's certainly got nothing to do with Alabama's number situation. He's the top rated DT in the county for crying out loud. You honestly think Saban's not going to find room for him? That's absurd.
Another one that doesn't get it - they want a package deal - 2 offers in 2019 with LOIs.
Posted on 10/15/18 at 11:37 pm to NoPandGglasses
quote:Alabama was never taking Rodney and the premise of your OP is that they won't even have room for Ish because they already have too many guys committed. Which is flawed thinking because Saban will have commitments hold off on signing if he thinks he can land Sopsher.
Another one that doesn't get it - they want a package deal - 2 offers in 2019 with LOIs.
Sure, LSU can and should play up the fact that they'll take Rodney as well, but it's certainly looking like that's not going to seal the deal here.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:11 am to whitefoot
I'd really like to hear what Vol has to say about this. There seems to be a lot of mixed information with regards to Ishmael. Many Bama insiders think he's going there, but there's a few LSU guys that believe we're in the driver's seat. Who knows.
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