re: Likelihood of Sopsher to Alabama or LSU? - By the numbers analysis

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Likelihood of Sopsher to Alabama or LSU? - By the numbers analysisFirst since you like linking things, link where rodneys visit was an official. Ishmaels wasnt. Its well known by all Bama recruitniks that they plan to not sign Cheney. Its called research. Now to the numbered items 1,2,4,5,7 I do understand the blueshirt rule. If Rodneys visit wasnt official then his unofficial clearly fits under the blueshirt exception as stated in your post. Also ever heard of a redshirt? Rodney goes on schloarship immediately upon entering, which in this case would be fall 19. He redshirts and has 2 years to play. Pretty simple. Only his scholarship goes to the 20 class not his entrance into school. Therefore if Rodney doesnt take an official or host Bama and does go under the blueshirt rule then O and LSU can object and bitch all they want. It would be meaningless. 3 Spout about 25 all you want but somehow Bama has plans to take more than 25 along with many other schools. You dont understand the numbers limits rule. Nothing has changed other than nonqualifiers still count whether they qualify or not unlike the past. There have been many, many links on this page explaining this. Only part i agree with is the Saban leading kids on thing. However it doesnt seem to matter much does it. I stand by my original post. Ill wait for that link of Rodneys visit being official. If provided then i will gladly come back and state that the blueshirt doesnt apply to Rodney. As Les would say "Have a great day"

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You are full of Chit - yes, I'm talking to you!!!

I provided links and research - all can be confirmed by 247...I am calling you out to provide a link to information which you say is true.

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"Its well known by all Bama recruitniks that they plan to not sign Cheney" -

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well then, why hasn't he decommitted...that's what happens when a school lets a verbal commitment know they will not accept the LOI. Ever hear of Zach Edwards? Guess what, he decommitted from LSU after our staff said they were not accepting his LOI. I say you are full of BS...lets see your proof??? Alabama has 4 other decommitments.

And, the whole point of my post is the numbers are not there to Redshirt Rodney and give him a scholarship in 2019. Obviously you can't think in more than one dimension at a time or count. 25 is a hard number and there is no way around it other than Blue Shirt or Grey Shirt in this situation based on what Ish wants for his brother. With this official, Rodney can't Blue Shirt and Ish won't accept a grey shirt for Rodney.

You are the one that needs to prove that it was not an official visit by Rodney. Because I can promise you that LSU will make them prove it was unofficial. LSU is working on a deal and so are the Sopshers - package deal with Bama or LSU. With that knowledge, if one is on an official, the other was on an official too because they came in the same car, stayed in the same hotel, and ate the same food. And, Bama is fitting the bill.

You are a moron and stupid enough to think that everyone is as gullible as you. It was an official...book it.


Bama sponsored, hosted and paid for two D1 prospects. Rodney is in JUCO and seeking a scholarship.

The NCAA will not buy your or Saban's BS. Too high profile and it's a package deal. Orgeron may have his faults, but he is a fighter...he will call Bama and Saban out...his job is on the line. A complaint will be made after February to the NCAA and investigation will insue if they try to Blue Shirt Rodney.

Sospher is already in their class. Trust me he’s accounted for.

He went there this weekend to avoid him being at our big game. I’m sure he got his hundred dollar handshakes while there

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I'm sure Saban doesn't approach his roster construction in that rigid a fashion at all times. Sometimes the talent is too good to pass up. If you were to look at his past classes I'm sured you'd find where he's oversigned a position because there was too much talent to pass up on. It's how he gets that type of ridiculous depth that he gets. You don't sign a player just to fill a requirement. The player has to have a shot to contribute. Sophsher is a take for them under any circumstance. The talent is too good.

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I disagree...balance in all positions year to year is even more important (in the last 5-10 years) since Juniors and Red Shirt Sophomores can go to the pros. Just look at LSU's DL, OL, Rush DE/OLB and QB issues due to Juniors leaving.

Other than RB and CB...most positions require reps and experience that Freshmen don't typically have. You typically don't create depth and experienced underclassmen with Freshmen other than CB and RB.

It's not absolute, but most Freshmen don't start even though highly talented...they make too many mistakes that lose games...although there are many exceptions, compared to the total players, they are few and far between on a percentage basis.

If Ish Sopsher sticks with the package deal ultimatum, he will not commit to Bama because regardless of what Saban tells him (lie), he cannot and will not get Rodney a scholarship in 2019 to Alabama. Oversigning at one position leads to undersigning in same year at other positions and hurts depth at other positions. I saw it too many times in Les Miles classes.

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s sopsher that good or are we just keeping the fence up?

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[quote]He's very good for sure, but Sopsher is arguably the better prospect and we don't want him at LSU. If we don't have room for Ika, he'll probably end up at a PAC12 school. Y'all need to trust in Saban and his staff's evaluations and choices in making these tough decisions.

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Saban does not want Sophser at LSU. Will do whatever it takes to keep that from happening

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You’ve put a lot of thought and effort into this but the one thing you’re not accounting for is that you’re assuming Saban works within the same parameters as everyone else, he doesn’t. Rashaan Evans was the top ranked LB recruit in the nation about three years ago. He had either been committed to Auburn for a good bit or was highly expected to sign his LOI with the Tigers on NSD. He was from Auburn. On NSD he flipped to bama. It took everyone, especially Auburn completely by surprise. It would be one thing if that was an exception, but it’s not. Saban does not operate with the same set of rules as the rest of the conference. The other thing that can’t be overlooked is the whole deal of Sopsher visiting for the Missouri game, I mean c’mon man....that’s bama all over it...basically keeping him from any possibility of being swayed by the LSU-Georgia atmosphere or the fact that it just doesn’t even matter to him. Actions are the true barometer of intent.

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#1 rule of recruiting...It ain't over, til it's over...That's National Signing Days of December and Febuary. 17 year olds flip decisions minute to minute.

Those parameters don't exist the same anymore as 3 years ago...there a NSD in December. Most of the class will be locked up and alternates can be lined up for recruits you miss on "if you prepare". Surtain burned us last year as Auburn got burned in your example.

Saban has to play by the same rules. Maybe he is violating them, but eventually he will be caught.


I don't care what it looks like with disrespecting LSU/GA to go to the Missouri game...that's today. NSD is in 2 and 4 months. That's an eternity in recruiting.
Did I say that 17 year olds flip decisions minute to minute. It's worth repeating because when you get over 30, you forget how you were at that age.


C'mon man, you don't think the Sopsher's didn't look at the score...I promise you they did and they are regretting not going to the game (UGA/LSU). I'm sure they really enjoyed Bama beating the shite out of Missouri which they were favored by 20. Upsets are much more fun to watch if it's not your team. And, the Sopsher's are not UGA fans.

If and when they catch Saban lying to them, if it is before Ish signs his LOI, they will be all LSU.

The part that you are missing is that Saban can't or won't do what the Sopsher's want...2 LOIs for them as a package deal. The real question is whether Ish will honor his commitment to his brother Rodney. Rodney will never get a LOI from Saban to go to Alabama. Saban does not need Ish that badly and Bama does not have the scholarships available for both. And, Saban is not going to cut off his nose to spite his face.

Its a numbers game - and Ish will have to dump his brother to end up at Bama...and he just might...we will see how tight their family is...won't we?

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Honestly I would rather Get Sopsher by himself. If thats not doable, no hard feelings. Hopefully Getting lee would get our foot back in the door. Beating bama would help a ton obviously.

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It stinks Bama doesn't have to offer his brother, but LSU absolutely has to.. to even be considered? And then still possibly be held hostage.

Would love to see him at LSU over Alabama though.

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It stinks Bama doesn't have to offer his brother, but LSU absolutely has to.. to even be considered? And then still possibly be held hostage.

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Recruits that don't want to go to LSU create these reasons why they can't or make up conditions that they know LSU won't honor to make LSU seem like the bad guys. Happens every year.

Same with Emery saying he wants to be the bellcow RB. That's a bunch of BS.

if sopsher wants to come here, he'll be here. i'd rather recruit two 4 star dlinemen and not have to take up a roster spot with a glorified high school player like sopshers brother.

this whole sopsher scenario is bad business. frick that dude and his brother.