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re: Kiehl Frazier
Posted on 2/11/10 at 3:12 pm to GoHoGsGo06
Posted on 2/11/10 at 3:12 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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Obviously LSU gets 4-5* QBs all the time. I dont know of any being up for any awards lately though? do you? Since Miles has been there?
manning award anyone?
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Florida's Tim Tebow has been named this year's winner of the Manning Award, which honors the country's best quarterback taking into account how that player performed in the bowl game...
Tebow is the fifth winner of the Manning Award, which began following the 2004 regular season. USC's Matt Leinart was the inaugural winner, followed by Texas' Vince Young in 2006. In 2007, LSU's JaMarcus Russell earned the award and last year Boston College's Matt Ryan collected the honor.
Posted on 2/11/10 at 3:20 pm to molsusports
quote:ok ya, Saban recruited a good QB. What does that have to do with Les Miles? Sure JM was there when LM was there, but to say LM groomed him into the NFL monster he is biased
In 2007, LSU's JaMarcus Russell
Posted on 2/11/10 at 3:22 pm to GoHoGsGo06
oh ffs... you ask what QB has done something since Miles arrived at LSU
When I point out JR won the award for best QB in college football then you change the rules
When I point out JR won the award for best QB in college football then you change the rules
Posted on 2/11/10 at 3:33 pm to molsusports
quote:I am asking what QB at LSU since Miles has been there, has been great, due to Miles' coaching.
When I point out JR won the award for best QB in college football then you change the rules
Sorry. I thought you would assume that instead of what QB at LSU since the birth of college football has been great, considering all the QBs ever recruited.
LSU is where Highly ranked QBs go to die. You have a run system - with Miles and Saban. The only thing you tell your QB to do is not turn it over.
Just like Nutt. He is a run guy. No good QB should ever go to a HDN coached team
Posted on 2/11/10 at 3:44 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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I am asking what QB at LSU since Miles has been there, has been great, due to Miles' coaching.
you are crawfishing... you can't lie or change the argument when the first attempt goes nowhere
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LSU is where Highly ranked QBs go to die. You have a run system - with Miles and Saban. The only thing you tell your QB to do is not turn it over
You may not be dummy but you are doing a damn fine impression of one on da internet atm
first off anyone who actually has watched LSU lately knows Miles aims at about 50/50 playcalling with 50% passing plays and 50% running plays... secondly, you are either flaming or flamingly ignorant if you think the LSU QBs of late haven't benefited from going to LSU. Chances are excellent that even RP will have a more successful career at the next level than Brohm btw
Posted on 2/11/10 at 3:58 pm to molsusports
quote:My argument the whole time has been about Les Miles coached QBs at LSU that have not met standards. I will include JM in this if you want me to, although LM had nothing to do with him going to LSU in the first place.
you are crawfishing... you can't lie or change the argument when the first attempt goes nowhere
quote:ok great. I like balance too. Except, i like to stretch the field more (and I think good QBs who want to go to the NFL do to)
first off anyone who actually has watched LSU lately knows Miles aims at about 50/50 playcalling with 50% passing plays and 50% running plays.
quote:Im not trying to flame, seriously. Im just arguing that why would a good 4-5* QB (as in Keihl Frazier) go to LSU ( where the QB hands the ball off and throws 10 yard curls all day) instead of Arkansas (where one of the top Offensive minds coaches, full control of the offense, stretch the field deep). Thats all.
secondly, you are either flaming or flamingly ignorant if you think the LSU QBs of late haven't benefited from going to LSU
Like I said, i am not arguing the LSU gets "great" HS QBs, because they obviously do. Im just stating that under Les Miles, all these great QBs have underperformed to their "star" status. Which would be a great reason for a now HS senior QB to not go there
quote:If my aunt had balls she'd be me uncle
Chances are excellent that even RP will have a more successful career at the next level than Brohm btw
Posted on 2/11/10 at 7:21 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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My argument the whole time
is reflected in your original quote:
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Obviously LSU gets 4-5* QBs all the time. I dont know of any being up for any awards lately though? do you? Since Miles has been there?
So we've established that you have reversed yourself from your original point (lsu qbs don't win awards/do well at LSU since Miles arrived)
And btw we've also established that several LSU QBs have gone to the NFL from Miles' brief time at LSU alone... so you would be the opposite of correct - you would be exactly wrong
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Im just arguing that why would a good 4-5* QB (as in Keihl Frazier) go to LSU ( where the QB hands the ball off and throws 10 yard curls all day) instead of Arkansas (where one of the top Offensive minds coaches, full control of the offense, stretch the field deep). Thats all.
The answer to that seems pretty obvious. Recently more LSU QBs have made it to the NFL with success than say QBs that have chosen to go with Petrino. If you go to LSU you will also likely have a higher profile, have better wide receivers to throw to, and as a result have a better chance (everything else being equal) in making more money on draft day if they go to LSU
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Chances are excellent that even RP will have a more successful career at the next level than Brohm btw
If my aunt had balls she'd be me uncle
Congratulations on your aunt's Y chromosome and filled scrotum.
RP would only have to be picked up and be subsequently cut by a NFL team to match Brohm's NFL success.
Posted on 2/11/10 at 7:44 pm to geauxtigers69
This thread = hilarious. The OP said Frazier "seems interested" in LSU and a bunch of Hog fans come out of the woodworks and get all defensive about it.
I love it. That means they're nervous about him.
I love it. That means they're nervous about him.
Posted on 2/11/10 at 8:44 pm to GoHoGsGo06
No offense but it was a dumb question and you got burned on it and then made it worse by trying to pretend it didn't happen.
Very few HCs can claim to have converted 2 star QBs into award winning QBs. Think.
Very few HCs can claim to have converted 2 star QBs into award winning QBs. Think.
Posted on 2/11/10 at 8:46 pm to TxTiger82
Only looks like one lost piggy to me
Posted on 2/11/10 at 8:47 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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Also, none of those QB project to be anything at the next level.
So you figured out all our Sophomores and Freshman already huh? You should go to an NFL team and tryout for being a talent scout
Posted on 2/11/10 at 8:49 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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LSU is where Highly ranked QBs go to die.
Go die and get drafted by NFL teams like 4 QBs last decade?
Posted on 2/11/10 at 8:52 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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Like I said, i am not arguing the LSU gets "great" HS QBs, because they obviously do. Im just stating that under Les Miles, all these great QBs have underperformed to their "star" status. Which would be a great reason for a now HS senior QB to not go there
We've had a freshman and sophomore start their first seasons under Miles (that were Miles QBs). Kind of early to talk this don't you think?
Jefferson has a couple problems, as does most first year starters, but he was pretty solid this year throwing 17 TD to 7 INT. He's tall with a live arm and some good athletic ability. How do you know he won't develop at all into a pretty good QB over the next 2 years?
And if Ryan Perrilloux wasn't such a screwup off the field you would be eating every word you're saying right now. He would of been a great one.
This post was edited on 2/11/10 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 2/12/10 at 8:37 am to lsufanva
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Suatown,I think Petrino is a good Qb tutor and offensive coach but he should not get credit for Mallett.He isn't developing Mallett at ll.Mallett was going to get drafted high no matter where or who he played for.His arm is among the elite of the elite.Never been a question of him getting drafted pretty high.Locker is the #1 guy anyway not Mallett.Mallett is supremely talented(i've thought so since seeing him in the Army game)but is a head case.Reminds me a lot of Ryan Leaf.Hopefully not because i wish all kids success but he has those kinds of traits.Petrino is not the guy to correct those things.He has the same kind of issues.
It takes more to be a great QB then having a great arm.
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Petrino is not the guy to correct those things.He has the same kind of issues
What the frick does this even mean?
Back to original post: I don't think Kheil will go to LSU...
Posted on 2/12/10 at 10:18 am to chappaslappa
Kiehl Frazier
Thats because Chris Todd ran it last year, and thats the type of QB he was (he transfered from TTU) you haven't seen what it would like with a dual-threat QB yet.
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......... and Kodi Burns (a "dual-threat QB" from Ft. Smith, AR) absolutely thrived under the Malzahn system?
Thats because Chris Todd ran it last year, and thats the type of QB he was (he transfered from TTU) you haven't seen what it would like with a dual-threat QB yet.
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......... and Kodi Burns (a "dual-threat QB" from Ft. Smith, AR) absolutely thrived under the Malzahn system?
Posted on 2/12/10 at 10:21 am to thevillagetiger
Kodi Burns can't throw the ball consistently. And that's putting it mildly.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 3:57 pm to Ross
Flynn thrived under Miles. Flynn never saw the field under Saban. I give credit to Miles and Crowton for Flynn's thriving.
Also my son plays for Shiloh. My son loves the Tigers as much as me which is unconditional love. We will both be working on KF. Razorback stadium or even Auburn can't match playing in Tiger Stadium.
Stay tuned
Also my son plays for Shiloh. My son loves the Tigers as much as me which is unconditional love. We will both be working on KF. Razorback stadium or even Auburn can't match playing in Tiger Stadium.
Stay tuned
Posted on 2/12/10 at 5:50 pm to thevillagetiger
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......... and Kodi Burns (a "dual-threat QB" from Ft. Smith, AR) absolutely thrived under the Malzahn system?
Yeah, since Kodi's been in Malzahn's system for 3 years now
Newton is obviously a better athletic prospect than Kodi is. He's much bigger, faster and has a better arm. I can only imagine he's more accurate, because Kodi is about the opposite of that we've come to learn.
Malzahn's never run his system with a dual threat guy because he's never had one to run it with. Didn't have one at Ark. Didn't have one at Tulse. If Kodi he was better than Todd, than he obviously would have been on the field as the full time QB, but he wasn't.
Malzahn finally has a weapon like Newton to add some more wrinkles to the offense. He probably won't run that much, but he'll get more chances than Todd did, that's for sure. Our RB's will run the ball probably 80% of the time, with WR reverses, etc around 5% and QB runs/option 15% or so. Todd probably didn't have but maybe 8 or 9 actual QB draws last year, and that might even be a few too high. The other times he was scrambling for flat footed life. He ran the option a little, but there wasn't any point in the D sticking with Todd on those, because it's not like he was gonna tear off a huge run. With Newton, that's a legitimate threat.
So, to sum it up, Malzahn is drooling at the thought of having an athlete like Newton to play QB in his system.
Posted on 2/12/10 at 7:07 pm to FlyFishin Tiger
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FlyFishin Tiger
So you've obviously seen KF play. Whats your scouting report on him? I've posted my thoughts on him.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 8:54 am to FlyFishin Tiger
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Also my son plays for Shiloh. My son loves the Tigers as much as me which is unconditional love. We will both be working on KF. Razorback stadium or even Auburn can't match playing in Tiger Stadium.
Stay tuned
He'll get to play there twice
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