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re: Jalen Lee decommitment official
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:24 am to Rebel
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:24 am to Rebel
I don't really understand this personally. I'd go with lowest player on board even if it's in a position of need. We need dline badly all we can handle and processing this guy doesn't seem smart. He's going to be a beast for someone. It's similar to when you draft. You don't draft needs, you draft best player available. LSU should've processed someone else, IMO. I think there's a few guys in this class in need positions where we could've processed them and still be okay depth wise. You can't prepare for starting your 5th string player anyway if it comes down to that.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:30 am to tigerskin
Damn I liked him. Hopefully it works out for us. He’ll land somewhere easily, just hopefully not a rival
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:30 am to deuce985
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deuce985
How do you know the coaches don't rate him lower than the other 24?
Neither of us are in the meetings where the coaches evaluate talent.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:32 am to deuce985
Sometimes the coach’s evaluation of a player is not the same as a recruiting site. Just saying.....
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:33 am to deuce985
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I don't really understand this personally. I'd go with lowest player on board even if it's in a position of need. We need dline badly all we can handle and processing this guy doesn't seem smart. He's going to be a beast for someone. It's similar to when you draft. You don't draft needs, you draft best player available. LSU should've processed someone else, IMO. I think there's a few guys in this class in need positions where we could've processed them and still be okay depth wise. You can't prepare for starting your 5th string player anyway if it comes down to that.
There is 100% probability that the coaches have more data points to make this decision than just taking the best man available approach. I do admit the perception is poor due to the fact that Lee is a Louisiana guy. However in this case I'm just going to trust the coaches. I'm sure here are many many data points that we are not privy to that the coaches are using to make their decisions. We just have to trust them. That's why they get paid.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:34 am to Sir Fury
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If you were a top in state talent, would you commit to play for Ed O knowing if something better came from out of state you would be processed?
Damn, some of y'all are taking this way too fricking far. Y'all act as if LSU and coach O have been known for "processing" recruits on the reg and that's the furthest from the truth. Look, coach O, his staff, and this program are experiencing a ton of interest all of a sudden from some ofnthe most talented players in the nation. There's absolutely no way coach O or anyone else could have predicted this surge happening, but guess what, it is happening right now and we have to do what's necessary for the betterment of our football program. Wtf do some of you idiots think he should do? Tell a player that he thinks will provide us with the best chance to win ball games that we can't accept his commitment due to having a player already committed with less talent? That's just retarded. Any coach in the nation is doing, has done, or would do the exact same thing coach O is if they were faced with this unique situation. Saban has been doing it for years, that's a fact, and there's plenty of other coaches that have processed players in order to sign a better one in their eyes. This bashing Os decision to go after the best and most talented players to play for HIS TEAM is ridiculous. How do y'all even know what was said or even offered to Jalen Lee? Orgeron could have offered him the opportunity to greyshirt and Lee told him no thanks. Bottom line is I fully trust coach Os decisions, especially when it's concerning the comparing of two players talents and which one he would prefer. Sorry guys, but I think I will side with coach O over you idiots and your opinions of who he should sign every damn time. Y'all are making this out to be way more serious and complicated than it is.
Also, we are fricking LSU. We will always sign the top talent in our state and that's not changing bc of Jalen Lee. Sure, bama has got some talented guys from here under saban, but LSU will always sign the vast majority of top level talent in Louisiana, and the ones that choose to go elsewhere, frick them, we will go get top talent from elsewhere in the country. Us winning this year vs bama is going to lock this state down even more too. Orgeron has great relationships with the coaches in state and the players we well. But some of you have this catastrophe syndrome going on and it's really stupid. Geaux Tigers.
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:36 am to LanTheBuilder
I mean this is true but film doesn't lie either. I guess some guys don't have good film but there's no way in hell Jalen Lee from an all position standpoint is sitting lowest on LSU's board. I don't believe this. It's probably because they have someone higher on the board and they're replacing the same position with a new player.
All I'm saying is you should go with best player available not positions of need. A 1 year gap on that position of need is not going to kill you anyway if you hit it hard in recruiting the next year. If you're playing your 3rd string in that position the next season or 2 you're probably in trouble anyway regardless of depth. Having a filthy dline/oline sure can disguise lots of problems on your team especially if a QB is dropping back on a 3 step drop getting drilled consistently. You could have bums in the secondary when the ball is being floated to them.
All I'm saying is you should go with best player available not positions of need. A 1 year gap on that position of need is not going to kill you anyway if you hit it hard in recruiting the next year. If you're playing your 3rd string in that position the next season or 2 you're probably in trouble anyway regardless of depth. Having a filthy dline/oline sure can disguise lots of problems on your team especially if a QB is dropping back on a 3 step drop getting drilled consistently. You could have bums in the secondary when the ball is being floated to them.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:37 am to The Egg
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the egg
You're an idiot
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:37 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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ImayGoLesMiles

Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:40 am to tigerskin
Hate to see this, especially for a local kid.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:57 am to GeauxLSU1971
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They don’t have time to find another spot in a lot of cases
sorry but I disagree..... good players always can get a spot. hell, players jump from us the week of signing. Where did those spots come from. There is still a lot of movement going on.
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This is the same crowd saying Louisiana kids need to commit early and that Louisiana kids can play at LSU and then get taken care of career wise when they are done playing ball and if they go out of state then don’t come back
and to play devils advocate those kids don't care about that noise.... its a business decision and they just want to get in the league. Not saying it's ideal but its the bullshite game that's being played
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:18 am to ImayGoLesMiles
LSU is the "it" team right now. Coach O has to take advantage of that. Obviously it's not a great situation and I feel for the kid if he was told to look elsewhere. But if Coach O has a better player lined up then what is he supposed to do? Coach O has shown time and time again that he's not content with 10 win seasons. He's not going to settle for having a great program. He wants an elite program.
This is something LSU fans need to get used to. These are elite program problems. Elite programs have to let 4 star players walk in order to bring in better prospects. Teams all over the country would love to have this "problem".
This is something LSU fans need to get used to. These are elite program problems. Elite programs have to let 4 star players walk in order to bring in better prospects. Teams all over the country would love to have this "problem".
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:39 am to bignic26
Exactly right. I actually love how broad our net is this recruiting cycle. We are getting players from all over the country, and these are the best players in their respective states and in the country as a whole. It can only help us in recruiting and building our program to the level orgeron wants it to be, there is no down side to it lol. We still are going to lock Louisiana down that's a given and idk why people don't understand that either. However, if there's a decision that has to be made between a player that's from here and a player that's unequivocally better, yet he isn't from louisiana, we should go after the most talented player...especially when we are having to make every scholarship count for as much value as possible. We only have 25 you know? Well, we should be going after the best 25 that we can sign right? I thought it was common sense, but I guess some of our fans just aren't blessed with it. I'm sorry, but I just don't get what the big gripe is about what orgeron is doing. Lol, it's kinda like he wants to whip some major arse and win some national titles of something here huh? Haha, geaux tigers.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:39 am to ImayGoLesMiles
Exactly, we don't know the details behind the decommitment. The coaches talk to all these players regularly and know their thoughts. Lee might have been one who expressed some questions about where he fit in or even a desire to look around and was encouraged by the coaches. Look, as long as you are honest with the players, they will usually respond well. Obviously, Coach O has a good reputation with that as he is a great recruiter. I hate to lose Lee but I would have hated to lose a five star at a position of need even more.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:39 am to bignic26
You should not offer a prospect recruit a recruit if you aren't willing to stick with him.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:41 am to tigerskin
Didn’t some one say his commitment was 110% yesterday and said VolTiger was a liar? I swear some people
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:55 am to SlidellTiger
Man, what don't you understand about how much our program has changed in the last couple of months in the eyes of everyone, including recruits? The staff didn't intentionally do this to frick over Jalen Lee. They're doing it to get the best players they can get and strike while the irons hot and the momentum is there. Orgeron is doing what successful coaches do...surrounding themselves with the best players they can possibly get to coach, develop and execute their scheme to win ball games. We are getting interest from players that not even the coaching staff had any idea about...Arik Gilbert for example. The coaches didn't even know he was going to commit to LSU and he just committed one day out of the blue. So, if Arik Gilbert wanted to sign like he did and we had a tight end from Louisiana committed already, but clearly isn't the caliber of player Gilbert is, you would recommend coach O to tell Arik Gilbert too damn bad we dont have a scholly for you? No, that's just dumb. These are the kinds of decisions our staff is having to deal with right now. This isn't normal. We happen to have moved up the board for some of the best players in the nation and we have to sign them dude. You can't pass up players with the talent some of these guys have, you just can't. This is a unique recruiting class for LSU and how can you possibly prepare for the sudden influx of elite prospects wanting to be a part of what they have seen LSU do this season? We came out of nowhere and now the recruits are coming out of nowhere and fast, lol. shite, I'm very excited about how this class is going to finish personally and I know the coaches are as well. Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 12:00 pm to adambomb
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Yeah JUCO hasn’t been good for us lately,
Our starting right guard the last two years was a juco kid.
Also Traore adds decent depth and did well starting at RT against OM.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 12:03 pm to SlidellTiger
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You should not offer a prospect recruit a recruit if you aren't willing to stick with him.
Recruiting is too fluid to make a blanket statement like this. So much can change from the time a player is offered to signing day.
The goal isn't to win the National Championship of Loyalty. The goal is to win the National Championship. Coach O is giving these players plenty of time to look around. It's not like they're leading kids on and then acting like the fax machine isn't working on signing day.
This is simple. Get the best players you possibly can. Coach O would get skewered if it came out that he could've gotten a player like Chase Young but he stuck with a lesser player because that lesser player said yes first.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 12:10 pm to deuce985
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It's similar to when you draft. You don't draft needs, you draft best player available.
If this is your thought process, that is exactly what is happening.
They are taking the best player
What In the actual frick are you talking about? They are doing exactly what you are saying
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