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Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:12 pm to I20goon
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But, a lot of these "broken rules" are very common
Some are, some aren't. While Saban was here we were turned in and had to stop recruiting a highly rated Louisiana player for less than what you've posted here the last two days.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:13 pm to MOT
Man, that is Napier's specialty. When he was "Quality Control Assistant" for Bama he was freaking all over the south. 4 & 5 stars in TX, LA, FL, AL all knew him by name.
The kids in Monroe seem to know him well. A couple of posters have seen him in person a few times. But the point is, there's many many more that are doing that. That's Saban's army. Not the coaches, who are definitely watched and have to fill out forms for every visit, call, tweet, etc. It's these non-coach positions (Napier is a coach now) that are out working LSU.
And Napier himself may not be in violation. Technically, he can visit every player 6 times in a contact period. If Hootie happens to come over while he's visiting with the punter, well he didn't initiate contact, the recruit did.
What some schools do is the same, for the coaches. But these other fricks in the background... not so much. It's easier to cover it up or come up with an alibi.
The kids in Monroe seem to know him well. A couple of posters have seen him in person a few times. But the point is, there's many many more that are doing that. That's Saban's army. Not the coaches, who are definitely watched and have to fill out forms for every visit, call, tweet, etc. It's these non-coach positions (Napier is a coach now) that are out working LSU.
And Napier himself may not be in violation. Technically, he can visit every player 6 times in a contact period. If Hootie happens to come over while he's visiting with the punter, well he didn't initiate contact, the recruit did.
quote:LSU has become pretty strict. The phones are monitored constantly, phone logs submitted to the compliance dept, online facebook and twitter monitored, etc. All because of those past violations you mention.
Some are, some aren't. While Saban was here we were turned in and had to stop recruiting a highly rated Louisiana player for less than what you've posted here the last two days.
What some schools do is the same, for the coaches. But these other fricks in the background... not so much. It's easier to cover it up or come up with an alibi.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:17 pm to I20goon
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When he was "Quality Control Assistant" for Bama he was freaking all over the south. 4 & 5 stars in TX, LA, FL, AL all knew him by name.
And there you have it. There is absolutely no gray area as far as this is concerned.
A coach turning their one evaluation into a "bump" prior to the contact period is not uncommon.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:19 pm to I20goon
I've been told LSU's compliance office is almost anti LSU.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:25 pm to I20goon
It's pretty easy with these non-coaches and REC types (that have official sanction by the school).
Someone in the UA financial aid department sends a recruit a 2 page form saying "we need to verify your middle initial, please fill out this form or call us at xxx-xxx-xxxx". Of course he calls. No one in their right mind would fill out a form for that. So the recruit now calls that number. He won't get a coach at the other end, but he will get a non-coach member of Saban's Army. This isn't your usual school-job average Joe. This is a person who has been taught what to ask a recruit, which particular subjects the recruit likes to talk about (his team, his shoes, lift kits, etc). And before the call ends, he hears "you know, we really really want to see you at Alabama". Do this once a week in addition to the legal stuff and you create quite an impression on a recruit. Not only by contacting him, not only by telling him how much he is wanted, but also by making it seem you're proactively doing the steps necessary to get him enrolled (remember, this started with a call to complete some random enrollment form).
Someone in the UA financial aid department sends a recruit a 2 page form saying "we need to verify your middle initial, please fill out this form or call us at xxx-xxx-xxxx". Of course he calls. No one in their right mind would fill out a form for that. So the recruit now calls that number. He won't get a coach at the other end, but he will get a non-coach member of Saban's Army. This isn't your usual school-job average Joe. This is a person who has been taught what to ask a recruit, which particular subjects the recruit likes to talk about (his team, his shoes, lift kits, etc). And before the call ends, he hears "you know, we really really want to see you at Alabama". Do this once a week in addition to the legal stuff and you create quite an impression on a recruit. Not only by contacting him, not only by telling him how much he is wanted, but also by making it seem you're proactively doing the steps necessary to get him enrolled (remember, this started with a call to complete some random enrollment form).
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:31 pm to MOT
the problem is the NCAA isn't going to waste time on a non-coach and non-booster (or prominent booster). To the NCAA they are faceless. Funny thing is they usually become official coaches or admins later.
They don't work in grey areas, they are the grey area. NCAA doesn't have the resources to check them. So they focus on the higher profile people, like coaches. So I'm agreeing with you there's violations MOT. But if you don't get caught, you did nothing wrong. There's more of them than there are enforcers.
What a school like Bama is good at is mitigating the risk. You don't do stuff like that for every kid, and for the kids you are you usually both use a local connection (B Guice @ WM) and you combine it with the legal stuff to mask it a bit (and you get double bonus for "working harder").
They don't work in grey areas, they are the grey area. NCAA doesn't have the resources to check them. So they focus on the higher profile people, like coaches. So I'm agreeing with you there's violations MOT. But if you don't get caught, you did nothing wrong. There's more of them than there are enforcers.
What a school like Bama is good at is mitigating the risk. You don't do stuff like that for every kid, and for the kids you are you usually both use a local connection (B Guice @ WM) and you combine it with the legal stuff to mask it a bit (and you get double bonus for "working harder").
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:35 pm to MontanaTiger
Like I said before dr bill Bateman ain't worth the time. I can promise you this miserable old man isn't wooing these kids. He may be a bag man but he doesn't have the personality to interact with people on that level. He is a a**hole and that's being nice.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:47 pm to Punk2617
Damn my head hurts now.
This is much better conversation over beer. And Saints have pissed me off.
Bateman is just part of the support network. I'd bet if "improprieties" were raised, he'd get the blame and get disavowed by the university in less than a week.
He just has parties that gets the coaches in the area together with other boosters and UA coaches. But... we see how effective that can be. Again Guice comes to mind.
This is much better conversation over beer. And Saints have pissed me off.
Bateman is just part of the support network. I'd bet if "improprieties" were raised, he'd get the blame and get disavowed by the university in less than a week.
He just has parties that gets the coaches in the area together with other boosters and UA coaches. But... we see how effective that can be. Again Guice comes to mind.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 10:55 pm to I20goon
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the problem is the NCAA isn't going to waste time on a non-coach and non-booster (or prominent booster).
It is institutional and they would absolutely use their time on it. It was part of the larger Lyles case but Oregon was cited for several hundred phone calls from admin staff to, and from, recruits. If they were concerned about what kind of phone calls that type of staff makes you can bet that them actually recruiting off campus would be an issue.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 11:01 pm to MOT
but with Lyles they could trace it back to one person- Lyles. and he talked.
tracking down 30 "Financial Aid Advisory Assistants" ain't as easy.
And it ain't gonna be even tried against Bama as long as Emmeritt is there. He would never do that to Saban.
And yes, LSU got on probation for one rogue coach making phone calls to one recruit and helping him find housing (he probably helped pay for it too). That was non-Lyles related just for clarification. That coach was fired.
Oh, and it's worth noting that Napier left Bama for a year (2012), then came back as a coach.
tracking down 30 "Financial Aid Advisory Assistants" ain't as easy.
And it ain't gonna be even tried against Bama as long as Emmeritt is there. He would never do that to Saban.
And yes, LSU got on probation for one rogue coach making phone calls to one recruit and helping him find housing (he probably helped pay for it too). That was non-Lyles related just for clarification. That coach was fired.
Oh, and it's worth noting that Napier left Bama for a year (2012), then came back as a coach.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 11:05 pm to Adam Banks
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. Nela was one of the first places Saban focused on when he came here and then again at Bama. Miles decided to go Nola centric and this is the result
He has gotten who he wanted in Monroe. Saban is going to focus on NOLA now. Watch.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 11:13 pm to I20goon
To I20 Goon, I actually have a relative whom I firmly believe acted in the same capacity as u believe Dr Bait Man does for Bama back in the Bear days. Once met an guy in a business meeting who, when introduced, asked me if I knew of said relative (we have the same last name) Didn't put 2 and 2 together until he told me he used to play for Bama. My relative was a huge Bama fan, always having parties with players, knew coaches, etc. Spy sounding shite but I believe he was a "facilitator" for the Bama cash flow to players. Then again, maybe I watch too many spy movies.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 11:19 pm to Victrola Wayne
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This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 6:59 am
Posted on 12/3/13 at 12:03 am to LsuTool
I seriously doubt that!! The comment about bama showing they wanted him more!!!
Posted on 12/3/13 at 12:08 am to horndog
quote:You don't think having an ex-St Aug HC on his staff and current HC at St Aug's stepson on his team is focusing on New Orleans already???
He has gotten who he wanted in Monroe. Saban is going to focus on NOLA now. Watch.
Maybe New Orleanians are just less gullible.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 12:14 am to Roaad
Both went to the national championship as I recall only thing that separated us was a QB that could pass a ball!
Posted on 12/3/13 at 5:11 am to LsuTool
quote:Then replace the Recruiting Coordinator with somebody else if need be to get this fixed. There's obviously a problem somewhere and ignoring the problem isn't going to make the problem go away. (Like in "Jaws") The "We'll be Fine" crowd needs a reality check as to the actual situation that LSU's in right now. You can't Sunshine Pump your way out of losing all these Louisiana kids.
our staff aint putting in the work, simple as that.
like hootie said, bama showed him they wanted him more.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:15 am to NorthEnd
Not a real doctor but an optometrist. Fits glasses. Lives in a really nice home for the last several years.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 6:48 am to Victrola Wayne
Dude it always comes down to one thing and you know the answer to that. $$$$$$$$$. No one honestly believes what that stupid kid says. He got more money from Bama and that's it. He has no loyalty to his home state so be it. GTFO and take a note from Ed Paris. You're Tigerbait now motherfricka.
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