re: I think Walker Howard > Arch Manning

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Name me a team that has won the NC the past decade who didn't have a super athletic QB?

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Alabama is the only one I can think of. But they are the exception not the rule.

I agree with your premise. I think you need a Qb that can run for a few hundred yards in a season, at the least. I’m not sure Finley is that guy tho either tbh

And perhaps Brennan’s speed has slowed a touch since he put on 30-40 pounds since then but again IDK. I just don’t see this vast gap in mobility from Brennan to Finley. And again half the starters in the league run much closer to a 5 than a 4.5.

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Brennan also shows you why he's limited

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Brennan hasnt shown anything to say he's "limited" yet. Again he's basically re-writing the records books here among his first 3 starts so far.

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You already see it in the games he doesn't have the athleticism to extend plays.

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Maybe in game 1, not so much in games 2 and 3 or you werent paying attention. He even tore his abdominal against Missouri early the game and still threw for 430 yards and 4 TD making plays left and right, that shows a lot.

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This is largely a reason we've struggled on 3rd downs.

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The biggest reason we've struggled on 3rd downs is play calling by far.

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Finley looked better than Brennan did all season on 3rd down and it's largely due to his athleticism.

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You're using a 1 game sample size with a simplified play book, almost zero pass rush against Finley and quick throws for most part, not exactly apples to apples.

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I don't care how good your oline is they're going to struggle at some point.

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How do you know Finley will be so good when things break down considering the only sample size we have of him is 1 game where literally South Carolina was credited with 0 sacks, 1 hit on QB and 3 total pressures per PFF? Being good against pressure is not something guys usually naturally do right out the gate, it's something you learn over time. Burrow was sh*t against pressure in 2018 and really good against it in 2019.

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I seem to remember Mccarron being fairly athletic no?

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You said, and I quoted BEFORE you deleted it now:

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Name me a team that has won the NC the past decade who didn't have a super athletic QB?

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There's no one on the planet who would argue Coker or McCarron were "super athletic" QBs for Alabama nor even remotely really athletic for a QB. McCarron ran a 5 second 40 and had like a 28" vertical at the combine. Despite throwing for 9k yards and had a ridiculous 77 TD to 15 INT ratio in college his testing numbers were meh at best and went in the 5th round and is a career clipboard holder in the NFL.

He’s not wrong. Look at the QBs that have been in the playoffs. There is a clear pattern

I don't think it's ever been preferable to have a big stiff at QB. But the categories are getting cloudy to where Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence are getting lumped in with Vince Young and Jalen Hurts as running quarterbacks.

Sure they are athletic and mobile, but they run just enough to keep the defense honest.

Burrow and Lawrence also played 15 games. The term "duel threat" is thrown around a lot and has difference meanings to different people. It's subjective.

I consider Johnny Manziel to be a duel threat. Same with Jalen Hurts.

I consider Burrow and Lawrence to be athletic pocket passers who can run if needed.

The doesn't fit into the neat and tidy DT/PP binary, but oh well.

I consider Myles Brennan and Tj Finley to be pure pocket passers. People keep posting that Finley is a running threat. I think he looked awkward running the ball and at his height is going to get hurt.

He looked awkward and gangley running the ball. He's going to get his legs chopped out from under him and get hurt.

You want to recruit SS. Those guys are SS.

Brennan is a 3B.

Finley is too.

Do you see them calling designed QB runs for Brennan? You have your answer.