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How does Bayou Tradidtions structure NIL contracts?

Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:32 am
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:32 am
Does anybody know how the collective structures them? I think i remember reading that the LSU collective gave Underwood a one year offer, and if they do that with most of their offers and contracts, that would explain why we have so many guys leaving year after year. It also is a very forward thinking way to manage the roster.

Just food for thought, unless anyone actually knows the answer.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 9:33 am
Posted by catfish 62
Atlanta
Member since Mar 2010
5544 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:36 am to
Wonder when non compete language starts making its way into these deals
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
5767 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:42 am to
I assume it's basically money to pay players to play at the affiliated university. But what are donors to these collectives officially giving money for?

For example, if I owned a car dealership, I could pay LSU players to endorse my dealership. But if I donate $100 to Bayou Traditions, what am I giving money for (officially)? Is it like a donation to a church or charity?
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4153 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:43 am to
By NCAA rules and LA law, there is no language they could put into an NIL contract that would tie payment to playing for LSU or any other performance metrics. It would be madness to give players anything beyond a one-year contract since there’s absolutely nothing they can do to stop players from transferring. They can’t be paying out money to players who leave.
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
11901 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:44 am to
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Wonder when non compete language starts making its way into these deals

They would have to put non compete clauses in coaches contracts first and we know that’s never going to happen.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
30232 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:45 am to
everything surely is on a year to year basis.

I mean, fricking starters at major programs are transferring. There's nearly 60 players in the portal, just from the college play off teams alone.... that's wild.
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
5401 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:47 am to
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I assume it's basically money to pay players to play at the affiliated university.


The endorsements cannot be centered around playing. This is part of the reason it’s such a joke. Technically, if a guy wanted to come in and take a $500K NIL deal, he could refuse to play and would still be entitled to the money so long as he satisfied the requirements of the contract (appearances, x messages, etc). It’s a complete farce.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
48840 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:49 am to
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But what are donors to these collectives officially giving money for?

A business owner could in theory pay an athlete directly or they could donate a shite ton of money to the collective and have LSU handle the payment through that. Or they could say "look, I donate a shite ton of money to Bayou Traditions already and I want this recruit to get $2 million to come here but I'm not paying more than $500k more than I've already given. Can you take the remainder from Bayou Traditions to pay him?"


I think that's how it works.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 9:52 am
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:55 am to
Thanks.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 9:57 am
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26349 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:08 am to
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The endorsements cannot be centered around playing. This is part of the reason it’s such a joke. Technically, if a guy wanted to come in and take a $500K NIL deal, he could refuse to play and would still be entitled to the money so long as he satisfied the requirements of the contract (appearances, x messages, etc). It’s a complete farce.



These usually aren't lump sum agreements. They may have options after a certain amount of months to automatically renew unless one of the parties expressly chooses to cancel it. I can't imagine these are fully guaranteed deals.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41667 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:14 am to
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These usually aren't lump sum agreements. They may have options after a certain amount of months to automatically renew unless one of the parties expressly chooses to cancel it. I can't imagine these are fully guaranteed deals.


I think a business could tie the NIL deal to an athlete staying at LSU, staying on the team and he could pay him or her monthly.

Take Canes. If they hired athletes yo do commercials and represent Canes the contract could certainly make it part of the agreement that they stayed on the team.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4153 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:16 am to
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Take Canes. If they hired athletes yo do commercials and represent Canes the contract could certainly make it part of the agreement that they stayed on the team.


NCAA rules and LA law actually expressly forbid doing that.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26349 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:17 am to
Yeah I don't think there would be any issue with that at all.
Posted by GhostofJackson
Speedy Teflon Wizard
Member since Nov 2009
7028 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:32 am to
What about if an athlete is a part of a championship winning team? I don't know all the legalese, but let's pretend this is still something akin to using an athlete to promote a business. An athlete who was on a championship winning program would be worth more because they give the product more visibility. The verbiage could just say something about winning a championship, not necessarily at LSU.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41667 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:11 am to
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NCAA rules and LA law actually expressly forbid doing that.


Really?
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:18 am to
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I can't imagine these are fully guaranteed deals.


Bryce Underwoods was multiple years. Special scenario, I know, but it did lead me to start wondering.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
16302 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:23 am to
I read that they presented Underwood with a two year contract but that was an unusual situation.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
48840 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:29 am to
Isn't Underwood getting something like $3 million a year at Michigan though?
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4153 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:30 am to
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Really?


Yes. We all know that NIL quickly morphed into pay to play, but by the letter of the rules and LA law it is not allowed to be pay to play. As such no contract can be tied to playing for a specific school or based upon specific performance metrics.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41189 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:31 am to
Not sure, but if I’m being honest I’m sick and tired of hearing “Here’s how you donate” and “ Donate today” commercials, sports talk radio segments, and ads all over the place. I understand this is how the sausage is made. I get this is how we get recruits. I’m just ready to eliminate the collectives all together, allow the schools to sign these kids to contracts with buyouts, and be done with the farce that a good intentioned NIL has turned into.
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