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Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:08 pm to TigerScratch
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What comments? Where is all of this coming from? Is this about Mama Hootie being left alone for a few minutes, or did something else happen? I assumed that several posters that don't normally frequent this board were passing off bogus information, but now it's being passed off as the gospel. Have you heard any of these things?
He's made comments how Bama treated his mom better than LSU and that played a big part in his decision.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:09 pm to Restomod
Hootie knows no one of the staff would have ever treated him mom wrongly. So that was a cop out and he has to deal with that. No way in hell that would have happened. He should have just chosed Bama without the ragging on the staff
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:13 pm to JJ27
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I never saw these huge statements everyone is talking about that would make LSU not take him. All I saw from Hootie is he was going to choose the program that treated his Mom the best. Not exactly the kind of talk you can't come from back from IMO.
The fact that Studs was demoted from recruiting NLA should be a sign these people can't seem to grasp. He didn't work his tail off recruiting up there like some want to believe and it negatively affected LSU. Perhaps when Hootie visited, which happened to be in the midst of the A&M game and short week for Thanksgiving, the coaches dropped the ball a little.
For whatever reason, the kid initially chose Bama and now has reconsidered. Maybe he felt he rushed the decision, and didn't feel it was the right one. These kids are pressured to commit as soon as possible by these coaches. It happens.
That said, if LSU gets its feelings hurt, and misses out on a top local talent over pride, then it says more about the adult staff than an 17/18-year old kid.
I have faith Les and company will do things right and all this talk is just rumor mongering.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:13 pm to JJ27
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I can only speak about when I saw him, which was in the spring game and jamboree, both of which were against West Monroe. I'm assuming he was healthy in both scrimmages. Anyway, he was in on every tackle. All over the field and not arm tackles, but solid licks. Supposedly he was hurt most of the year, as well as against EJ.
This is exactly how I felt the last 2 years. I wanted him to be able to use his athleticism / smarts and be a ball hawk in the secondary. He looked like a totally different player in the EJ game. Nevilletiger79 even commented that he's played tentatively this year.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:15 pm to JJ27
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All I saw from Hootie is he was going to choose the program that treated his Mom the best.
Its kinda childish. I hope he comes here. Wish him the best wherever. But to pick a college based on who pretends to like your mother more is silly.
Go produce on the field and pay back your free ride that way. Everything else will work out
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:17 pm to redfieldk717
I don't think any of Hootie's comments made the staff turn on him. And all this information could be a ploy to make sure some guys we are still recruiting aren't rubbed the wrong way. But something is definitely odd about this recruitment with the rumors that something on his Bama visit turned him off and LSU not treating his mom good enough.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:19 pm to RDRGeaux09
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Les has a lot of pride and loyalty to everyone involved with the football staff. He values their work. So the comments made by Hootie's family after his commitment really pissed him off. The staff feels they went above and beyond with him and his family and then they dumped on their visit after he committed. Also they feel really good about where their at with Adams and don't wanna ruffle his feathers.
I don't doubt there are some hurt feelings on the LSU side, but bottom line is that this comes down to a business decision. They have to take him back if he wants back in and get over themselves. Pride is often more destructive than anything else.
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:22 pm to Geauxgurt
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For whatever reason, the kid initially chose Bama and now has reconsidered. Maybe he felt he rushed the decision, and didn't feel it was the right one. These kids are pressured to commit as soon as possible by these coaches. It happens.
I believe 100% that this is what has happened. I also think that he wants to be personally coached by Saban at DB, but LSU is where his heart is and that's why he decommitted to slow things down and make the choice that he's comfortable with for the next 4 years.
I also feel the "whomever treats Mom the best is where I'm going" thing felt like a weird cop-out for his choosing Bama initially. I have no doubt that Bama pressures kids to commit more than LSU.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:28 pm to Goldrush25
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They have to take him back if he wants back in
Oh, do they?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:42 pm to Restomod
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He's made comments how Bama treated his mom better than LSU and that played a big part in his decision.
His Mother never even visited the Alabama campus from what she said at his signing. How could they have shown her anything? Not sure if this is something we can believe.
If true, she needs to concentrate on how they will treat her Son. I know a "Mother" very well whose Son started for Saban for 3 years and she says the man actually talked to him probably a total of 3 times if you disregard being yelled at in practice. She was treated no better by him after recruitment. Assistants interacted with her, but not Saban himself. It is a business and a machine, and not a family. Very different in reality from the image marketed to the public. LSU seems to be a much more inclusive atmosphere with Les at the helm. Although I will have to say it bugs me when he refers to his players by number, not name, in interviews!
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:44 pm to Goldrush25
quote:you don't continue to stay at a high level in CFB without this type of thinking. Considering LSU has, I think you're on the money here. These recruits talk about making a "business decision"... well, it's the same for the schools too. And will be treated as such.
I don't doubt there are some hurt feelings on the LSU side, but bottom line is that this comes down to a business decision. They have to take him back if he wants back in and get over themselves. Pride is often more destructive than anything else.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:58 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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I know a "Mother" very well whose Son started for Saban for 3 years and she says the man actually talked to him probably a total of 3 times if you disregard being yelled at in practice. She was treated no better by him after recruitment. Assistants interacted with her, but not Saban himself. It is a business and a machine, and not a family.
Well I don't know if that's all that unusual. I know some former college football players and they say that the vast majority of their time they spend with their position coaches. Relatively speaking they don't see their head coach much at all other than the "rah-rah" stuff. Don't know what it's like at LSU.
As far as the mother comments I just think she took one for the team. She shouldered the blame away from Hootie by being the focal point of the recruitment, knowing that his decision would possibly be an unpopular one. That's noble and very mother-like if that's the case.
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Oh, do they?
I should rephrase. It would be unwise to pass on Hootie if he wants back in.
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 1:58 pm to redfieldk717
quote:BBI is continuing its misinformation campaign. Last night, Hunt Palmer said Hootie could only have contact with Bama because he signed Financial Aid papers with them. It's been known for weeks that he signed the same papers with both schools. First the Polish Felon saying Hootie has not talked to LSU, then throwing Ohio State in the mix, now this.
Message Posted by redfieldk717 that is correct JJ
What is their reasoning for completely misleading anyone stupid enough to buy their services???
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:00 pm to I20goon
Has anyone covered the possibility that Hootie and some LSU players and/or recruits may not like each other?
I'm not at all saying this is the case, but I would imagine these elite guys see each other so much that many times bad blood forms between them after a guy like Hoodie chooses a rival
I'm not at all saying this is the case, but I would imagine these elite guys see each other so much that many times bad blood forms between them after a guy like Hoodie chooses a rival
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:02 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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From what she said
Show me a link where SHE said that. It was speculated but she didn't say that. She went to Bama before he committed.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:03 pm to JJ27
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Show me a link where SHE said that. It was speculated but she didn't say that. She went to Bama before he committed.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:35 pm to redfieldk717
I understand fans blow "statements" out of proportion but this isn't the fans, its the staff. Now I don't agree with the stance on Hootie as it has been told to stand right now but the staff has some hard feelings and Hootie isn't a take for us currently so the fans have every right to blow the statements up because the staff is. The staffs stance, or at least how its been made public to be, is perpetuating the fans blowing it out of proportion. If the staff feels out of the way about them then the fans are gonna follow that lead. In closing, it doesn't matter thst we are making too much of the statements, it matters that the staff is and as far as what is known publically, they are. This is on the staff not the fans.
This is not a criticism of the staff. Just pointing out that calling out fans for making too much of the statements is wrong since its the staff perpetuating it, at least from what the fans are being told. If the staff feels like they are taking the correct approach to Hootie not being a take then, while I don't agree with the stance, I do accept it and have no real issue with it
This is not a criticism of the staff. Just pointing out that calling out fans for making too much of the statements is wrong since its the staff perpetuating it, at least from what the fans are being told. If the staff feels like they are taking the correct approach to Hootie not being a take then, while I don't agree with the stance, I do accept it and have no real issue with it
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:57 pm to lsufanva
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Hootie knows no one of the staff would have ever treated him mom wrongly
How do you know this? Where you there? The statement was that his mother was ignored and left alone a few times...no one treated her wrongly..
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Nevilletiger79 even commented that he's played tentatively this year.
I made that comment after watching him play for six years. For whatever reason he didn't play with the same intensity that I was used to seeing in the past...may have been because of the tweaked ankle he had the last six games or so maybe not it was my observation of things.
Ive also have known the kid for a number of years and again in my opinion he doesn't come off as a BS artist. He is an honest intelligent kid who is still not sure of where he wants to go...
Oh and as of yesterday he was still an EE.
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:59 pm to EarthwormJim
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I don't think any of Hootie's comments made the staff turn on him. And all this information could be a ploy to make sure some guys we are still recruiting aren't rubbed the wrong way. But something is definitely odd about this recruitment with the rumors that something on his Bama visit turned him off and LSU not treating his mom good enough.
I've been told a lot of different rumors, and I'm not about to repeat them, but the staff hasn't "turned" on Hootie. Same with Bama staff. It will be interesting how this plays out but no one should be laughing about OM. They have some time to work on him and it honestly won't shock me if he ends up there.
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